Xnd Hero Siege 1.51

[Shnxxx]

How can I play it for 1.26 version of War3?

 

[InSaNe_97]

Can you make an update? Please make more in-between stages!

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

Good version i really like it although

+Some of the early game items are useful although i think there should be more of it
+Not losing exp while switching hero cause it can be the determining factor sometimes if i can win the game or not while playing other X hero siege maps
+New heroes although it straight up crashed the game sometimes while using those on online matches

-No option to automatically pick 8 way at the start of the game
-Not nerfing the boots, it can singlehandedly break the game events if used incorrectly by other trolling players, prevent the boots from travelling on certain areas
-Even though i entered the ice way 2 command it still didn't open and the creeps are stuck on the other side of the door (without boots this could be a dead run already)

+ or - Ability changes
(Dryad's ability to damage bosses more disables the multi-arrow sometimes made me lose some of my single player games because my character didn't attack the one actually attacking the castle, the marine nerfs actually don't make much difference, it's even more capable now because of the wand of desillusion can be cloned after multiplying, i think the nerf should be in the marine hero because the clone deals too much damage make it at least 50% damage on level 1 and on level 2 70 or 80% because of the new item wand of desillusion can be used to amped up any hero that's gonna be cloned, it's basically autowin everytime the marine gets used, i do think removing his ethereal spell and replacing it with a placeholder passive ability can be the replacement cause it wins the early game arena faster and will encourage the use of other early game heroes that can go to arena early rather than straight up going to pick marine because he is really OP as a carry and even as support on online matches, i tried it on a multiplayer game and even barely doing anything, i can just let the highest damaging one to get all the farm while i use clone to basically make his character my own and makes it even a lot stronger than the original hero)

Suggestions:
Make the towers invulnerable until a certain time or a certain level is reached cause some people just straight up destroy them unknowingly or by trolling and making it lose the entire game because of one person, remove the invisible enemies, sometimes it can be laggy with tons of enemies while it also adds cause you don't know where to find them, if possible the corpses should not even spawn cause too much of it can contribute to lagging the game even further, make the tower revenant and magnataur stronger, maybe instead of runes spawning on the left bottom side where no one actually gets those, it could be a mini-game portal where you can get consumables/items that the people who already beat arena bosses can't go, the farming event should be even further and replacing the time that you're supposed to do that event a unique minigame that you can get stats, the towers beside the castle are deadweights on early and late game with no use other than to stall a few creeps and it's completely useless other than cosmetic purpose, but i suggest it should be 8 (1 for each lane) and giving one player control to 1 of the tower that they can upgrade to get certain buffs and debuffs to it that can make them actually worth to defend rather than being a tower just stealing golds from the heroes, making one of the towers player controlled can also benefit from the gold that the tower is gonna kill and be actually a bit helpful to the late game because of the buffs, make the map a bit larger cause the creeps are stacking too much sometimes and the narrow pathways of the waves filled with creeps can lag the game if not cleared properly, make the final boss invulnerable if the pillars at the final room is not destroyed

Take this with a grain of salt, i play X hero siege almost everyday and this is just my suggestions

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

Proof why clone and wand is OP ^

 

[Ricola3D]

Proof why clone and wand is OP ^

Lol are you insane ? Sooo many copies, you play player8 on your own xD

 

[InSaNe_97]

Finally! But it is a small update, barely anything. I really want more content and at least some balance changes.

 

[Ricola3D]

v1.43 fixes some desyncs due to Blizzard's bug with weapon upgrades that change damage dices guys

 

[Ricola3D]

Finally! But it is a small update, barely anything. I really want more content and at least some balance changes.

Yes I posted it because of the desync improvement, but it doesn't really have new content yet ^^
It took me hours and hours of testing with 2 computers to figure out those random desyncs.

Happy to see there are still players that enjoy X Hero Siege nowadays

 

[InSaNe_97]

Yes I posted it because of the desync improvement, but it doesn't really have new content yet ^^
It took me hours and hours of testing with 2 computers to figure out those random desyncs.

Happy to see there are still players that enjoy X Hero Siege nowadays

Man, of course people are enjoying it, Ic played this and DotA and Troll & Elves and a little of Green Circle TD, Castle Fight and even Vampirism and Melee all the time! Man, we were children, I miss them!

 

[Ricola3D]

Finally! But it is a small update, barely anything. I really want more content and at least some balance changes.

Also about the balances changes you wish, tell me more. What heroes to nerf ? What heroes to boost ?

 

[InSaNe_97]

Also about the balances changes you wish, tell me more. What heroes to nerf ? What heroes to boost ?

I would start with adding a few more ability levels and I personally would remove all scaling abilities, in the way that percentages stay the same, it only has one level, hero with evasion only has 40% evasion all the time, so it is not useless earlier and overpowered later, but since people want scaling even on these you make starting value a lot higher, and end value lower, if it would go 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 (for if ability has six levels, nonsense, why does not go up to 100 because that is what is going for, this is mildly disgusting?), now it is 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, and make more ability levels so the non-scaling spells are still useful. Why am I telling this, are you this stupid to not know this?

 

[Ricola3D]

I would start with adding a few more ability levels and I personally would remove all scaling abilities, in the way that percentages stay the same, it only has one level, hero with evasion only has 40% evasion all the time, so it is not useless earlier and overpowered later, but since people want scaling even on these you make starting value a lot higher, and end value lower, if it would go 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 (for if ability has six levels, nonsense, why does not go up to 100 because that is what is going for, this is mildly disgusting?), now it is 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, and make more ability levels so the non-scaling spells are still useful. Why am I telling this, are you this stupid to not know this?

Keep provocations for yourself one Hiveworkshop plz. Also can you be a bit more clear/specific about the non scaling spells you find useless in late game ?

 

[Nicks]

Why am I telling this, are you this stupid to not know this?

What's with the aggressive tone at the end? He doesn't owe you anything nor does he play this map 24/7 to know whats wrong or not with it. This map was not even his original idea in the first place, he just 'remastered' someone's else map to improve on the little things. If you want to adjust the map to your own likings and host with other players, you're free to do it at your own will.

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

Why am I telling this, are you this stupid to not know this?

As a developer, he can't really know if the mechanic he made is good unless we players like it and that's why he's asking for suggestions on how to balance the game.

 

[InSaNe_97]

Keep provocations for yourself one Hiveworkshop plz. Also can you be a bit more clear/specific about the non scaling spells you find useless in late game ?

I do not fully understand the first sentence. Can not remember, last time I played thine version was months ago.

What's with the aggressive tone at the end? He doesn't owe you anything nor does he play this map 24/7 to know whats wrong or not with it. This map was not even his original idea in the first place, he just 'remastered' someone's else map to improve on the little things. If you want to adjust the map to your own likings and host with other players, you're free to do it at your own will.

Nothing. It is not aggressive. Did you though it is? Because that is how I perceive your message.
I know, but there is obviousity.
I know.
I know.

As a developer, he can't really know if the mechanic he made is good unless we players like it and that's why he's asking for suggestions on how to balance the game.

Okay. He might be outside of his map so much.

 

[Satariel]

Hi,

sometimes people still tend to occasionally desync and would it possible to change the Tileset of the Map to something Greenish? I think green Grass just looks better than the Snow, played the Map so much by now a change like that would be nice

 

[Ricola3D]

Hi,

sometimes people still tend to occasionally desync and would it possible to change the Tileset of the Map to something Greenish? I think green Grass just looks better than the Snow, played the Map so much by now a change like that would be nice

F*ck.. Reforged really suxx with all those desycs..

About tileset, I'll keep the main as this for respect/fidelity to X Hero Siege 3.33, but I can release some side versions with different tileset

Currently I'm trying to add new heroes

 

[lichkiller45]

Hey,

so i played this map in singleplayer offline and the shield of invincibility from the spirit beast seems broken, the recoil dmg the enemies take is just huge. The bosses basically kill themself on my hero just by hitting me.

 

[jainaproudmore]

Have issue of this game. Why athas is killed so early during the cinematic of the battle of who killed Arthas and the ghost boss needs to be more buffed because somehow 1 of the player just instantly kill the final boss. Also issue about the command of -random because me and other players don't get potion, ankh at all, and 2nd hero is stuck at selection area instead teleporting where the 1st hero location is.. Also 1 thing, it would be nice if you can fix the hero because they are not facing Magtheridon and me and other players hero are just facing right.

 

[Satariel]

F*ck.. Reforged really suxx with all those desycs..

About tileset, I'll keep the main as this for respect/fidelity to X Hero Siege 3.33, but I can release some side versions with different tileset

Currently I'm trying to add new heroes

Ok nice because imho i think the Map on a green Tileset with maybe a few Trees placed around as well would make it look so much better and it would be something new as well, lot more visually pleasing and refresing. And while the original had Snow Tileset i think that shouldnt stop you from doing changes to that as well because it would be a big improvement

Maybe before each Match Host / Players can decide/vote on Tileset of the Map and it changes accordingly to Northrend/Snow, Lorderaron, Ashenvale, Barrens etc and when you have the Barrens Tileset the HQ changes to the Ork HQ and the Towers to Ork ones (Cannon Tower to this Boulder/Rock Tower from the Dranei/Orcs in Campaign) and Night Elf Stuff for Ashenvale and so on....might be an Idea if thats possible to implement.

Some other idea would be to make it more easy for Noobs who don't know about Hero Image+Furbolg, the Shops could offer some more early-game Items for Armour/HP/DMG to go for.

New Heros or existing ones you could change the Skin to some custom made ones, theres a lot cool looking ones

Maybe each Hero could get an additional Ability, would make them all more fun to play and some weaker heroes could get something to make them better

The Bosses need to be stronger at the end, from my experience the remaining people in the lobby all will have at least around 6.000+ Stats and the legendary Items with the Invul and the Bosses are just done in few seconds even with their gimmicks of mirror image or invul and the team can't even die anymore either with the invul shield item.

You could maybe use AI to add some voicelines for enemies like the pit lord boss

 

[Marchombre]

Hello,

First of all, I'm glad to see there are still people updating the mods I used to play back in the day.

I played a solo game in extreme 1 testing the new myrmidon hero and Tiny, and really enjoyed playing your version especially :

- thank you for fixing the xp loss when switching, it was such a pain to manage in old versions.
- the farming event feels way less stupid (in old versions, you either had -bt disabled, and stucked full gold, or -bt enabled, and ended with 50K-60K each stats). I feel like it could way more balanced bewteen spell caster and attack users, but I couldn't really test that.



However, I think the late game is kinda broken right now, let me explain:

- The bosses killed themselves

Due to the damage return from the shield. I found it quite suprising while fighting the blademaster, and ran around Illidan to make sure, and he killed itself, while I was barely taking any damage. Even more visible on Arthas, who two shoted himself with crits I didn't even have time to cast a spell or autoattack him. The final boss took a bit more time dying to the return damage, because he was taking time casting his spells, but I didn't use anything and he still died.

- Way too much gold / lumber

I think I entered the pitlord fight with ~8000 to each stats, which is quite nice if it weren't for the previous point.
I cleared the trap and used -bt and and proceeded to the blademaster.

and, oh my god, the blademaster made me RICH. I mean, I didn't pay attention to my gold / lumber during the fight, but I saw i capped in gold with something like 20 000 lumber to spend (sadly, I didn't record/screenshot the exact amount, but trust me, it was huge).

I ended needing more time to convert my lumber into gold and using -bt than the added time of all the bosses fights together (except the admiral, who has invulnerability). When I got to Arthas, I had a FEW more stats. Like 68 000 of each, with full legendary items.


- Arthas dies during the fight cinematic, way before it ends

I think it's because of the damage return again, which should probably be disabled during the cinematic



Thank you again for taking the time to update our favorite classic maps

And good luck trying to fix whats broken

 

[Marchombre]

Hello fellow players of Xnd Hero Siege !

I'm glad to announce that I'll be working on this amazing project of updating our favorite map from now on.
Thanks @Ricola3D for your work until now and allowing me to join in.

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Now, I present you

Version 1.45 (Yeah, I skipped a version when doing tests and changes )

Major changes

• Added spells to late game bosses (except Banehallow, it's on the todo list ). Beware, they can be deadly and go through spell immunity.
• Added a defeat condition after final wave. At least one hero must survive.
• Castle and towers can be upgraded up to 50 times to gain HP & armor. Might save your life one day. Buy at castle, or using command -uc

Bug fixes

• Damage return doesn't one-shot bosses anymore and should be more balanced overall.
• Fix Sorceress spell's tooltip: now show all lines.
• Arthas now wait for the proper moment to die in his cinematic.

Minor changes

• New items added:
  • Survivor's shield: early game defensive item
  • Training spear: early game damage item
  • Diadem of the Sage: mid game stats bonus
  • Portable Demon gate: mid-to-late game summoning, great at helping farming event
  • Combat Theory: Attack damage tome. Less efficient than attack damage items, but not taking inventory slots.
• Wand of desillusion is now a permanent item with charged ability (can buy again to gain more charges). Also, cannot stack illusion anymore, as it dispel previous ones.
• Farming event stun abilities cannot affect heroes anymore. Finally, you can channel in peace.
• Quality of Life:
  • commands -gg & -gl are now available to give gold/lumber to selected unit's owner.
  • commands -gtl & -ltg are now available to convert gold into lumber and lumber into gold
• Command -rebuy now cost 50 lumber after the final wave. Dying on bosses shouldn't be taken lightly.

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I think i have listed everything. Also, please check the credits, as a bunch of models were added on the map (I couldn't resist using those awesome models).

Feel free to give any feedback (I tried my best to balance it all and make it interesting, but we may never know).
I would be curious to have people playing very high difficulty (I saw some people here talking about extreme 200 or above) opinion on late game, as I usually don't play that high, and bosses might get a bit too strong.

 

[Marchombre]

So... I had a bit of spare time last week

Here comes patch 1.46

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Major changes:

• Started improving terrain.
  • Trying to keep the overall aesthetic, while making it less monotonous.
  • Focused on bosses areas for now, as they have more space to play with.
  • Suggestions and feedback are welcome, it's kinda hard to change terrain without messing up lanes/arenas balance or revamping all the map.
• New attacks (like dragon and assassins) are now coming from North-East and North-West. Adding more gold generation for extreme 4 and higher.

Bug Fixes changes:

• Lategame defeat condition was triggering on first player death. Now should work as intended (when all players are dead simultaneously)
• Necropolis no longer display "10 wave kills"
• Final wave's taurens will now get their bloodlust buff.

Minor changes:

• Invulnerability adjustement for Arthas and Admiral. Ability can be casted more often, but duration is greatly nerfed. Less down time overall, feel less annoying.
• Mountain king passive buff: now grants scaling armor too. This ability had an intersting mechanic (scaling cleave from 0 to 100% with artifacts), but felt a bit weak compared to other cleaving passive (Having 100% flat).
• DemonHunter Captain adjustement. Boss spell now cast more often, but is more predictible. Base damage lowered (especially at higher difficulty).
• Added icons on minimap for bosses & teleport zones.
• Added special effects on wave arrival.
• Added corpses spawn next to bosses (Crypt lord summon will finally be available).
• Castle upgrade slight nerf: castle gain 4 armor per upgrade instead of 6, towers get 2 instead of 3.
• Added new item: Stone statue. Starter item that build a statue for grey player (castle and towers). Perfect for stalling a bit early game without putting all of your golds into a furbolg that might be overkill. Benefit from 25% of castle upgrade bonuses (125HPs & 1 armor per upgrade)
• Castle upgrade moved into new shop category: workshop, with stone statue.

TODO:

• Banehallow boss spell
• Improve Terraining for early game zones
• QWERTY keybind (So much abilities to go through, it will take some times)
• Adding customs spells to heroes
• Making sure every spell is coherent with hero theme. Looking at you, crypt lord. "Shaking the ground" shouldn't make meteor fall from the sky
• Improve hero selection (knowing hero type, abilities etc.)

Feel free to point anything that should be added on the todo list

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@deepstrasz As you're one of the first to point out the poor terraining, I would be curious to get your opinion. Am I on the right path ?

 

[Marchombre]

And here comes v1.47 !

Major changes:

• Quality Of Life: Shop items are now using QWERTY keybinding. Heroes spells are in progress (~30%). See the [Complete Features List > Heroes List] to know which heroes have QWERTY supported.
  • First row: QWERTY. (This is the main row, meaning bottom row for spells, and top row for shops)
  • Second row: DFGH. (A being used for attack, and S for Stop, the keys are shifted)
  • Third row: ZXCV
• Improved terraining

Bug Fixes changes:

• Fixed some music that didn't launch at proper moment.
• Fixed dreadlord's passive (level 3) tooltip.
• Fixed priestess of the moon's monsoon tooltip.
• Command -random should now equip starting items.
• Manually buying combat theory in dual hero mode will now correctly give the bonus damage to the secondary hero.

Minor changes:

• Added new musics
• Reduced gold from hydra hatchlings from 750 to 500
• -rebuy command renamed -revive for more clarity
• Adjust scaling of % HP on bosses spells (curve isn't linear anymore).
• Towers damage can now be upgraded for 5 000 golds (up to 10 times). Can be found at workshop in castle, or by command -ut ( or -upgrade tower).
• Gold earned by grey player (castle and towers) will now be regularly distributed among connected players.
• Quality of Life: heroes vision range at night has been increased from 800 to 1400.

TODO:

Spoiler: Known issues

• Some models are not visible for SD graphics users. This doesn't impact playing other than visual (units still have hitbox, can be targeted etc.) I believe the only solution would be stop using those models, or reimport them. Currently, those models have been reported:
  • Ghost hero
  • Hydra hatchling => Replaced by hydra model, with different scaling.
  Currently scouting viable replacements.
  Please report any models that wouldn't load on SD graphics.
• Boss Banehallow can sometimes get an infinite regen buff whenever he has minions close to him. Removed minions while investigating further this issue.
  Please report if the bug still occur without the minions.

Spoiler: future improvment

• Banehallow boss spell
• QWERTY keybind (So much abilities to go through, it will take some time)
• Adding customs spells to player's heroes
• Making sure every spell is coherent with hero theme. Looking at you, crypt lord. "Shaking the ground" shouldn't make meteor fall from the sky
• Improve hero selection (knowing hero type, abilities etc.)

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As always, feel free to give some feedback

 

[Ricola3D]

@Marchombre forwarding to you an email I received: you got thanks from Baszont & Just.A.Yolo for your work

 

[Marchombre]

@Marchombre forwarding to you an email I received: you got thanks from Baszont & Just.A.Yolo for your work

If you want to tease them, tell them there should be an other update end of July / start of August

 

[Marchombre]

Well, this is coming much later than expected, due to more and more things squeezing themselves in this patch.
Here goes the biggest wall of text in there yet.

Version 1.48

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Major changes:

• Quality Of Life: Heroes spells are now all in QWERTY (100% finally done. That was long and annoying. Feel free to point out if I missed some in the process).
• Hero Selection is now using @Antares selection system, adapted to support dual mode
  • Using menu and not just clicking on units
    
  • Heroes infos accessible by preselecting it and hovering spells tool tips.
    
  • Enable to see other players picks.
    
• Introducing hero classes, giving bonuses at level 15 and level 30.
  • Fighter: Improving attacks.
    
  • Caster: Reducing CDs & Increasing abilities damage
    
  • Summoner: Increasing summons damage & Dealing bonus damage scaling with numbers of summons of the field.
    
  • Tank: Blocking damage & Increasing damage dealt scaling on armor.
    
  • Healer: Spells and attacks heal allies instead of damaging them & heal boost.
    
• New Heroes
  • Sun Adept
    • Attack: Ranged
      
    • Class: Healer
      
    • Spoiler: Abilities

      • D- Healing Hand: Heal targeted ally flat and % HPs amount.
        
      • Q- Summon Faerie: Summon Light Faerie (flying ranged units) to help on the battlefield.
        
      • W- Bouncing Light: Light bounces on allied or enemy units, damaging enemies.
        
      • E- Purification: Make all nearby allied units invulnerable, healing the sun adpet for each ally in range, and damage all enemies in range.
        
      • F- Guardian Angels: Give +100 armor and angels patrol around the sun adept to damage every units in range.
        
      • R- Hyper Nova: Massive damage in AoE around the Sun Adept.
        
      • G- Mass magic: Attacks fire multiple projectiles at nearby units. Healing hand heal the Sun Adept in addition to the target. Purification number of damage and healing ticks is doubled.
        
  • Mountain Cleric
    • Attack: Melee
      
    • Class: Healer
      
    • Spoiler: Abilities

      • D- Blessed Hammer: Attacks heals yourself and a random nearby ally by a flat amount.
        
      • Q- Holy Storm: Channels, blast of light fall down on nearby units, damaging everything on small AoE
        
      • W- Holy Wave: Hurls a wave of light on nearby units, damaging them
        
      • E- Healing drum: Place a drum on the battlefield, which heal nearby allies.
        
      • F- Mountain God's Protection: Gives bonus armor.
        
      • R- Gift from the moutain God: The cleric prays to the mountain god who answer by sending a random number of gifts on the targeted area.
        
      • G- Heart of Stone: Gain Max HP. Attacks deals a small % of the cleric's max HPs on hit.
        
• Banehallow changes
  • Banehallow cannot leave the area he spawned in.
    
  • Banehallow now longer have Necklace of Spell Immunity, but instead reduces damage from spells by 90%. His boss spells will trigger even if he's under crowd control.
    
  • It now has 3 real phases (Instead of only changing its color, it will enable more attacks)
    
    Spoiler: Banehallow spells

    • Phase 1:
      Beam of light move clock wise
      Ring of light will damage everything it touches.
      
    • Phase 2 (Triggers at 60% HP):
      Rain of lightning will strike the ground on heroes position and random locations in the arena.
      Creates one additional rings of light.
      Adds one rotating beam of light.
      
    • Phase 3 (Triggers at 30% HP):
      Creates one additional rings of light.
      
• Arthas changes. More will probably follow
  (While arthas big attack felt good visually, and its execute mechanic could be dangerous sometimes, overall it seems Arthas was weaker than previous bosses and lacked tools to put heroes at low hp)
  • Added channeled AoE with huge damage and knockback for phase 1 & 2. Triggers when Arthas lose a % of its HPs.
    
  • Added AoE ability in phase 2.
    
  • Increasing big attack damage
    
  • Adding voicelines (from WoW) in phase 2.
    
• 3rd Captain changes
  • Changed from Dreadlord to Lord Marrowgar, Skeleton King
    
  • Removed the following abilities: summoning infernal
    
  • Boss spell changed to: Spin attack knocking back foe around him and Spirit attack pulling enemies to him
• New items (and associated commands). Use them with caution, losing stat can have nasty side effects.
  • Tome of Specialization: Strength (50 000 golds) - Gain 300 strength, but lose 100 agility and intelligence
  • Tome of Specialization: Agility (50 000 golds) - Gain 300 agility, but lose 100 strength and intelligence
  • Tome of Specialization: Intelligence (50 000 golds) - Gain 300 intelligence, but lose 100 strength and agility
    

Bug Fixes changes:

• Fixed interaction between Dryad's multishot attack and Dryad's Piercing arrows that would prevent multishot attacks when targeting an enemy hero.
  Piercing arrows now correctly applies to Multishot projectiles and others source of damage than autoattack.
• Dryad "Trushot Aura" now correctly have 2 levels (instead of 4) like other ultimate abilities. Bonus damage from 30/60/90/120% to 60/120%
• Banehallow should not be able to regen 200% (instead of 2%) of its max Hps per second anymore.
• Human and undead creep heroes can now attack air units.
• Fixed circle of power's auras displaying off centered during Banehallow fight

Minor changes:

• Magtheridon boss spell cd buffed from 15 to 12 secs.
• Uther's "True tank" ability nerfed. Percentage armor as bonus damage from 25-100% to 20-65%.
• Ghost hero model has been changed. Attack range changed to melee to match new model, and some spells re-skinned to fit thematic.
• Ghost's attack type changed to chaos to hero.
• Knight hero model changed to female paladin, name changed from Arthas to Merwenne (skills are still the same, just avoiding arthas fighting Arthas).
• Knight's attack type changed from chaos to hero.
• Item descriptions improved for more clarity.
• 2nd Captain model change from Demon Hunter to Keepr of Flames.

TODO:

Spoiler: Known issues

• Some models are not visible for SD graphics users. This doesn't impact playing other than visual (units still have hitbox, can be targeted etc.) I believe the only solution would be stop using those models, or reimport them. Currently, those models have been reported:
  • All reported models have been replaced.
    
  Please report any models that wouldn't load on SD graphics.

Spoiler: future improvment

• Improving bosses
  • Banehallow fight: Adding defense mechanisms added around the obelisks. It would be time for Banehallow to learn a bit about startegy and key points.
    
  • Improving Demon Hunter boss (His spell is better than dreadlord's, but feel a bit way less interesting than blademaster's or admiral's)
    
  • Continue improving Arthas.
    
• Improving themes and design coherence overall
  • Revamp some heroes/bosses themes/visuals to avoid duplicates. (Having Arthas fighting himself, or a pitlord destroying Magtheridon and his spawns might be very philosophical but probably should be avoided)
    
  • Making sure every spell is coherent with hero theme. Looking at you, crypt lord. "Shaking the ground" shouldn't make meteor fall from the sky
    
  • Trying as much as possible to avoid duplicate abilities (Except a few passive like critical strike) between heroes, so they can truly feel unique.
    
• Adding more heroes, in priority in classes with less heroes (summoners, tanks, healers)
• Adding customs spells to playable heroes

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In addition to in game changes, I'm currently updating this thread description.

• Description: already up to date.
• "How to play ?" tab: updated.
• "Complete features list" tab
  • Heroes List: updated
    
  • Game options: updated
    
  • Items list: updated
    
  • Event list: will be updated soon (hopefully)
    
  • Bosses: will be updated soon (hopefully)
    
  • Commands: updated
    
• Changenotes tab: updated
• Screenshots: I need inspiration for this one, can't decide what screenshots I want in there
• Credits: updated

 

[Vermelhin]

Hello,

This hasn't made my todo list yet.
Could you post on the map thread (so I can keep track easily) with examples on how/when this happens ?
Is it every game and/or at a specific timing ?

The more data I have, the easier it will be to look into it and think of a way to fix it

It happens every game, most on higher difficulty scenarios, when players can't kill all spawns they stack next to their spawn locations and basically don't move (or at least, move in slow pace) due to the high number of units alive in the map. It kinda facilitates players efforts because spawns can't reach the castle, therefore you can't lose, so all you need is to clear the stuck units and finally towers and their necropolis. This happens because AI bots can't handle the control of all units alive. I've had that issue before and I suggest you scatter the spawn mobs through different AI bots so they can run more smoothly.

 

[Marchombre]

So, of course that many changes were bound to break a few things.
Here is a bug fixing patch.

Version 1.49

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Major changes:

• Nothing there for this patch

Bug Fixes changes:

• Fixed a bug where Creep Slayer Event et Wave Slayer Event bosses wouldn't get their abilities
• Creeps heroes don't get more stats than intended at game level 1 anymore
• Fixed a bug where Assassins were not spawning around a player's hero.
• Fixed a bug in player name display, where name was truncated before the #.
• Fixed Stone Giant tooltip during selection.
• Fixed an unwanted interaction where banehallow spells would trigger damage return effects (like Retribution passive from Shield of invincibility)
• Fixed a bug where phase 2 Arthas AoE indicators could stay on floor after his death. Cleaning crew should always come before cinematic now.
• Removed a printing debug message on banehallow lightning attack. Oupsie.

Minor changes:

• Banehallow's Unholy Aura HP regen nerfed from 2% Max HP to 0.05% Max HPs.
  (Since the addition of boss spells, players dps has dropped because of AoE dodging. In higher difficulties, the regen could be a bit too much and drag the fight way too long. )

TODO:

Spoiler: Known issues

• Some models are not visible for SD graphics users. This doesn't impact playing other than visual (units still have hitbox, can be targeted etc.) I believe the only solution would be stop using those models, or reimport them. Currently, those models have been reported:
  • All reported models have been replaced.
  Please report any models that wouldn't load on SD graphics.
• Creeps can be stucked on their spawn areas on higher game level.
• Very rarely, the creep/wave kills milestones can trigger multiple times for a single player, giving much more ressource than intended. Unsure why that happens, still under investigation.

Spoiler: Future Improvments

• Improving bosses
  • Banehallow fight: Adding defense mechanisms added around the obelisks. It would be time for Banehallow to learn a bit about startegy and key points.
  • Improving Demon Hunter boss (His spell is better than dreadlord's, but feel a bit way less interesting than blademaster's or admiral's)
  • Continue improving Arthas.
  • Give Spirit Beast (Shield of Invincibility event) and Frost Infernal (Key of the Three Moons event) bosses spells to make them more intersting than just stats check.
• Improving themes and design coherence overall
  • Revamp some heroes/bosses themes/visuals to avoid duplicates. (Having Arthas fighting himself, or a pitlord destroying Magtheridon and his spawns might be very philosophical but probably should be avoided)
  • Making sure every spell is coherent with hero theme. Looking at you, crypt lord. "Shaking the ground" shouldn't make meteor fall from the sky
  • Trying as much as possible to avoid duplicate abilities (Except a few passive like critical strike) between heroes, so they can truly feel unique.
• Adding more heroes, in priority in classes with less heroes (summoners, tanks, healers)
• Adding customs spells to playable heroes

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It happens every game, most on higher difficulty scenarios, when players can't kill all spawns they stack next to their spawn locations and basically don't move (or at least, move in slow pace) due to the high number of units alive in the map. It kinda facilitates players efforts because spawns can't reach the castle, therefore you can't lose, so all you need is to clear the stuck units and finally towers and their necropolis. This happens because AI bots can't handle the control of all units alive. I've had that issue before and I suggest you scatter the spawn mobs through different AI bots so they can run more smoothly.

I added that to my todo list. I'll look into it and try to fix it next patch (hopefully)

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Also, I removed older versions to the attached ressources on this thread.
I still have them, so feel free to ask if you want them for some reason

 

[Marchombre]

There was an update, so of course, a few things are now broken
Plus, I'll have to go back on terraining, as new texture render is a bit weird right now.

More things to my todo list, thx Blizzard

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

I recently came back playing this map and i saw the new hero select screen, it's good

But idk how can i choose my hero, i tried clicking almost every key on my keyboard and none works, it's basically unplayable for me cause i need to select a hero and it makes me wait for 1 minute and 30 seconds just to get into the game and the hero i get is not even the one i selected

I didn't read the previous patch notes cause i wanna experience everything for myself and i think the picking should be intuitive to do (if this is actually not a bug)


OKAY THIS WAS A MISTAKE LMAO, THE ACCEPT BUTTON IS HIDDEN UNDER THE UI THAT'S WHY I CAN'T SEE IT (i saw it on the credits to the hero select and i noticed the accept button was missing)

 

[Marchombre]

I recently came back playing this map and i saw the new hero select screen, it's good

But idk how can i choose my hero, i tried clicking almost every key on my keyboard and none works, it's basically unplayable for me cause i need to select a hero and it makes me wait for 1 minute and 30 seconds just to get into the game and the hero i get is not even the one i selected

I didn't read the previous patch notes cause i wanna experience everything for myself and i think the picking should be intuitive to do (if this is actually not a bug)


OKAY THIS WAS A MISTAKE LMAO, THE ACCEPT BUTTON IS HIDDEN UNDER THE UI THAT'S WHY I CAN'T SEE IT (i saw it on the credits to the hero select and i noticed the accept button was missing)

Yeah, the hidden button is one of the thing blizzard broke with last patch by changing UI size

Should be fixed next patch, when I finished polishing other things

 

[sinforoso22]

Amazing map!

 

[sinforoso22]

I recently came back playing this map and i saw the new hero select screen, it's good

But idk how can i choose my hero, i tried clicking almost every key on my keyboard and none works, it's basically unplayable for me cause i need to select a hero and it makes me wait for 1 minute and 30 seconds just to get into the game and the hero i get is not even the one i selected

I didn't read the previous patch notes cause i wanna experience everything for myself and i think the picking should be intuitive to do (if this is actually not a bug)


OKAY THIS WAS A MISTAKE LMAO, THE ACCEPT BUTTON IS HIDDEN UNDER THE UI THAT'S WHY I CAN'T SEE IT (i saw it on the credits to the hero select and i noticed the accept button was missing)

You can also resize the HUD now with patch 2.0 on the game options (Gameplay tab) and see the "Accept" button. Set mine to 60% and it worked.

 

[Marchombre]

You can also resize the HUD now with patch 2.0 on the game options (Gameplay tab) and see the "Accept" button. Set mine to 60% and it worked.

Good to know ! Thx for the tip

 

[Acrytex]

Just tried this map after a long time and notice there is a new maintainer. Awesome! This is my favorite map to play so excited.

Some issues I saw off the bat:
First event w/ Muradin where you have to survive, Power of the Horde doesn't play at the correct time. It started once the event ended or 1 min elapsed.

Mountain Cleric doesn't start with enough mana to cast "Gift of the Mountain God" the level he unlocks it. The same issue with Rank 2 is it doubles the mana cost and he doesn't have the mana to use it.

When you unlock minion upgrades by leveling it says "Debloqued" when it should say "Unlocked"

 

[Marchombre]

Just tried this map after a long time and notice there is a new maintainer. Awesome! This is my favorite map to play so excited.

Thanks you for your feedback !
Glad to see people playing and enjoying it

First event w/ Muradin where you have to survive, Power of the Horde doesn't play at the correct time. It started once the event ended or 1 min elapsed.

I have noticed music issues for quite a while now, but has been a low priority so haven't fixed it yet.
Music system might need a complete revamp so I want to take my time to do it correctly.

Mountain Cleric doesn't start with enough mana to cast "Gift of the Mountain God" the level he unlocks it. The same issue with Rank 2 is it doubles the mana cost and he doesn't have the mana to use it.

Damn, you're right, I guess I always ended using -bt before being stuck without enough mana. Will be fixed next patch (might need 1 tome / hero image event to cast level 2, but who doesn't have that ? )

When you unlock minion upgrades by leveling it says "Debloqued" when it should say "Unlocked"

Well, I guess I should read those tooltip instead of relying on my game knowledge.
It seems French language found its way in the game, and I didn't spot it
Will be fixed next patch.

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

Murloc's lane are weird, they just get stuck most of the time, dryad reaching level 20 her unit and portrait just disappears, spelling errors on some heroes (the one i remember is fighter spelled wrong) i think when upgrading castle there should be a small regeneration buff along with those other changes, i'm thinking maybe there should be a system where the castle can collect the corpses near it and enough of those is the condition for upgrading the castle's attributes (spending gold to upgrade the castle is a bit weird to me cause after playing a few multiplayer games no one likes upgrading the castle and i think that corpse thingy i said earlier can help the castle scale into the lategame more)

 

[Marchombre]

Murloc's lane are weird, they just get stuck most of the time

I have an improvement on murloc/hydra lane ready for next patch. Their area is way more opened, reducing the risk of them getting immediately stuck. Hoping it will be enough, but I need to run some test games.

dryad reaching level 20 her unit and portrait just disappears

Oh, are you using SD graphics ?
Dryad getting level 20 changes her model to armored dryad. I don't have any issues seeing it. Sometimes, SD graphics users can't see some models tho.

spelling errors on some heroes (the one i remember is fighter spelled wrong)

For typos / spelling errors, please refer to the exact tooltip or message.
I can't browse every single one of them hoping to find them.

i think when upgrading castle there should be a small regeneration buff along with those other changes, i'm thinking maybe there should be a system where the castle can collect the corpses near it and enough of those is the condition for upgrading the castle's attributes (spending gold to upgrade the castle is a bit weird to me cause after playing a few multiplayer games no one likes upgrading the castle and i think that corpse thingy i said earlier can help the castle scale into the lategame more)

The idea of castle upgrade was to keep the high risk option which was all there was before the upgrade introduction fairly recently, or using golds for a safe option.
Communication and teamplay should be a component of online games and I find, in my experience, that investing your quota in upgrade (if there are 8 players in game, that would be 6 or 7 upgrades) often reminds and encourages others to do the same.

Introducing regeneration buff is a good idea. It's true that castle takes a while to get its HPs back.

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

I have an improvement on murloc/hydra lane ready for next patch. Their area is way more opened, reducing the risk of them getting immediately stuck. Hoping it will be enough, but I need to run some test games.


Oh, are you using SD graphics ?
Dryad getting level 20 changes her model to armored dryad. I don't have any issues seeing it. Sometimes, SD graphics users can't see some models tho.


For typos / spelling errors, please refer to the exact tooltip or message.
I can't browse every single one of them hoping to find them.



The idea of castle upgrade was to keep the high risk option which was all there was before the upgrade introduction fairly recently, or using golds for a safe option.
Communication and teamplay should be a component of online games and I find, in my experience, that investing your quota in upgrade (if there are 8 players in game, that would be 6 or 7 upgrades) often reminds and encourages others to do the same.

Introducing regeneration buff is a good idea. It's true that castle takes a while to get its HPs back.

Yes i'm using SD graphics and i can't see knight and runemaster's model too

I'll list the typos when i see them again

I agree the upgrade castle idea was a good incentive for teamplay, i think the notice that informs about the castle upgrade should have the name of the one who bought the upgrade so people will notice that you can do that and they'll be motivated to do it too

 

[Marchombre]

Yes i'm using SD graphics and i can't see knight and runemaster's model too

Well, that's an issue I don't know how to fix.
And limiting myself to old models isn't really a nice solution

All I can say for now is : try using HD graphics, models are nice, and terraining is made for them too.
I'll try to browse forums here to see if there is a solution for this, as this should affect most maps.

I'll list the typos when i see them again

Thx in advance

I agree the upgrade castle idea was a good incentive for teamplay, i think the notice that informs about the castle upgrade should have the name of the one who bought the upgrade so people will notice that you can do that and they'll be motivated to do it too

Having the name on the upgrade message is a good idea, will add that

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

Well, that's an issue I don't know how to fix.
And limiting myself to old models isn't really a nice solution

All I can say for now is : try using HD graphics, models are nice, and terraining is made for them too.
I'll try to browse forums here to see if there is a solution for this, as this should affect most maps.


Thx in advance


Having the name on the upgrade message is a good idea, will add that

I can't really use the HD graphics since i don't own reforged, only the original game's CD Key

Spelling errors:
All fighters except Warden have Fighter spelled wrong

The bear that you buy from the castle has the stomp ability set to T which is jarring cause everything now is set to QWER

Final part complaint: WTF was that slow while walking near the final part of the game it's so annoying to deal with and if i didn't have blink boots that would be unbearable also the final boss has slowdown issues (i never saw the final boss have lag on other X hero siege maps and earlier versions of this map so it's a bit jarring)

 

[Marchombre]

I can't really use the HD graphics since i don't own reforged, only the original game's CD Key

I forgot that could be a thing. I'll try to look into this, but it'll probably take time, and won't be high priority right now

Spelling errors:
All fighters except Warden have Fighter spelled wrong

Oh, you meant in hero description during selection.
Damn it; of course there was a typo in something I copied/pasted
Will do a check on all fighters descriptions.

The bear that you buy from the castle has the stomp ability set to T which is jarring cause everything now is set to QWER

Oh, yeah, totally forgot summons spells when going through all abilities.
Will do them for next patch.

Final part complaint: WTF was that slow while walking near the final part of the game it's so annoying to deal with and if i didn't have blink boots that would be unbearable

Well, the slow has always been there and its purpose is to be annoying.
Great incentive for players to go and destroy pillars I think (I recommend destroying top left corner first, which is the one providing the slow aura)
Might change it in the future since Banehallow need way more movement and dodging now.

also the final boss has slowdown issues (i never saw the final boss have lag on other X hero siege maps and earlier versions of this map so it's a bit jarring)

Did the slowdown issues occur from the start of the fight or when phase 2 or 3 started ?
I guess Banehallow boss spells could be optimized. Will look into it, might not be next patch tho.

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

I forgot that could be a thing. I'll try to look into this, but it'll probably take time, and won't be high priority right now


Oh, you meant in hero description during selection.
Damn it; of course there was a typo in something I copied/pasted
Will do a check on all fighters descriptions.

Oh, yeah, totally forgot summons spells when going through all abilities.
Will do them for next patch.


Well, the slow has always been there and its purpose is to be annoying.
Great incentive for players to go and destroy pillars I think (I recommend destroying top left corner first, which is the one providing the slow aura)
Might change it in the future since Banehallow need way more movement and dodging now.


Did the slowdown issues occur from the start of the fight or when phase 2 or 3 started ?
I guess Banehallow boss spells could be optimized. Will look into it, might not be next patch tho.

Yeah it's not really a dealbreaker, those heroes that have missing portrait and models as far as i know are: Dryad level 20, Ghost, Knight (He's just a giant blue arrow lmao), Mountain Cleric and Sun Adept

If Dual heroes is enabled, you can just blink outside the arena of muradin special event and switch hero when it's about to teleport you back (after doing that you won't go back to the arena)

Does the gloves of spell mastery even work? idk if it works since it always say the same cooldown number everytime i use it (a cooldown indicator should be put on the tooltip, that's gonna be useful on spells with really long cooldowns)

The pillars are so far apart and the slow makes it even worse cause you can't go to them very fast unless you have boots (i think the slow should be removed entirely?)

The slowdown on the final boss happened in all of my games and if i remember correctly it's the part where there's so many attack effects happening on the revenants

Is there any chance that clone ability by marine would be nerfed or replaced? he's probably the most OP character in the game to the point that the only thing i can't make him do is extreme level 998 solo (Durability, Boss killer abilities, Early hero image, Clearing hordes) and the Clone ability just makes him even better

 

[Marchombre]

If Dual heroes is enabled, you can just blink outside the arena of muradin special event and switch hero when it's about to teleport you back (after doing that you won't go back to the arena)

Haha, sneaky
Should be able to fix that easily

Does the gloves of spell mastery even work? idk if it works since it always say the same cooldown number everytime i use it (a cooldown indicator should be put on the tooltip, that's gonna be useful on spells with really long cooldowns)

I can confirm gloves of spell mastery CD reduction works. you should be able to enable showing CD on spell in your game option (Gameplay > Show numbers for cooldowns). Definitely visible on heroes like Jaina. Gloves CDR + caster CDR allows her to cast one more ultimate [R] in farming event.

The pillars are so far apart and the slow makes it even worse cause you can't go to them very fast unless you have boots (i think the slow should be removed entirely?)

Maybe. I'll see if that's necessary, and how to replace it.

The slowdown on the final boss happened in all of my games and if i remember correctly it's the part where there's so many attack effects happening on the revenants

Does slowdown stop if you kill all revenants ?
If that's the issue, I guess I can replace their attack style

Is there any chance that clone ability by marine would be nerfed or replaced? he's probably the most OP character in the game to the point that the only thing i can't make him do is extreme level 998 solo (Durability, Boss killer abilities, Early hero image, Clearing hordes) and the Clone ability just makes him even better

I'll get to hero revamps after stabilizing this version.
Marine is definitely on my list of hero to rework. I probably won't remove clone ability as it's kinda its core identity ability, but I intend on making him a true glass canon, unlike the tanky war machine pulverizing everything coming into range we have now.


Out of curiosity, how many stats did you have to clear difficulty 997 ?
Some boss spell should be able to almost oneshot you at that difficulty, do you OS them before that, are you a dodging god ?

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

Haha, sneaky
Should be able to fix that easily


I can confirm gloves of spell mastery CD reduction works. you should be able to enable showing CD on spell in your game option (Gameplay > Show numbers for cooldowns). Definitely visible on heroes like Jaina. Gloves CDR + caster CDR allows her to cast one more ultimate [R] in farming event.


Maybe. I'll see if that's necessary, and how to replace it.


Does slowdown stop if you kill all revenants ?
If that's the issue, I guess I can replace their attack style


I'll get to hero revamps after stabilizing this version.
Marine is definitely on my list of hero to rework. I probably won't remove clone ability as it's kinda its core identity ability, but I intend on making him a true glass canon, unlike the tanky war machine pulverizing everything coming into range we have now.


Out of curiosity, how many stats did you have to clear difficulty 997 ?
Some boss spell should be able to almost oneshot you at that difficulty, do you OS them before that, are you a dodging god ?

Using dual heroes and switching really fast on hero image event makes the enemy disappear sometimes

Yes i have that enabled, what i mean is the spell should show the cooldown on the tooltip itself before you can even use it so people won't guess how long the spell is gonna be out before they can use again

I forgot the exact part but it starts after a few second starting the final boss

I'm still experimenting trying to finish extreme 999 but the only 2 heroes i can use to solo survive that high of difficulty are Uther (cause of that thick armor but can't clear anything so he only lasts until the dragon attack and the game lags too much at that point that it crashes) and Runemaster (can actually go toe to toe with everything extreme 999 throws at him but he needs to stay for a while just to kill a single hero cause of the batshit stats so the castle gets attacked immediately)

Extreme 999 is so hard, the hero that spawns on lanes have 32-35k health and 2k attack with 500 armor and if the ranged one spawns first it's just impossible to survive (the only way i can reliably take heroes out is using spell damage and huge damaging spells aren't enough to kill everything cause it takes 4-5 of those just to kill a single enemy hero) if i have to guess i can only use runemaster to clear extreme 999 cause he reliably deals damages to everything around him

Also a question, does cloak of flames damage gets increased by True tank ability of uther? i don't notice if it does increases
Something i noticed one time is the ring item shows 99 stacks? i assumed it's because of my mana potion which has 99 stacks too

Suggestions:
Is there any plan to do something with the flags? i like carrying them around idk maybe there's something cool that can be done with it

I suggest that we can choose how many ways are opened at the start of the game cause it's a hassle to use scripts just to spam -ow again and again

Also typing -extreme ## doesn't work on hero select screen (maybe intentional not sure tho)

The nerf on the wand of desillusion was needed but it was buggy as hell? sometimes the item just completly bugs out for some reason and i can't buy stacks or it displays wrong stuff, maybe just bring back the old one without the stacks but keep the cost and illusion dispell, just nerf the illusion damage or duration to compensate for it not having stacks

Should the default item set we have at the start of the game (Potion of health and mana & TP scroll) would be replaced? i haven't seen anyone keep the scroll or use it, maybe a good idea is to give players one of the early low cost items this map have instead (Maybe randomized or they'll get one based on their hero type) so people can familiarize themselves on the new items cause people doesn't like buying early game items that much except the cloak of flames one (and i keep telling them new items are available on this map but no one buys them)

 

[Marchombre]

Using dual heroes and switching really fast on hero image event makes the enemy disappear sometimes

Never had this issue, but I think it's because it detects for a brief moment that there isn't any hero in the arena anymore, and thus ends the event.
You'd have to be quite unlucky for that to happen tho

I'll look into it.

Yes i have that enabled, what i mean is the spell should show the cooldown on the tooltip itself before you can even use it so people won't guess how long the spell is gonna be out before they can use again

Spells tooltips are quite a hassle in editor. I really don't want to through all abilities again like I did for QWERTY keybinds.
However, if I'm not mistaken, I have seen a tooltip system on this site allowing that and many other things. I might try to add it in later versions.

I forgot the exact part but it starts after a few second starting the final boss

I'll try to run some tests and optimize as much as I can Banehallow spells (currently, rings of light are divided by 32 segments, I might lower that).

I'm still experimenting trying to finish extreme 999 but the only 2 heroes i can use to solo survive that high of difficulty are Uther (cause of that thick armor but can't clear anything so he only lasts until the dragon attack and the game lags too much at that point that it crashes) and Runemaster (can actually go toe to toe with everything extreme 999 throws at him but he needs to stay for a while just to kill a single hero cause of the batshit stats so the castle gets attacked immediately)

Extreme 999 is so hard, the hero that spawns on lanes have 32-35k health and 2k attack with 500 armor and if the ranged one spawns first it's just impossible to survive (the only way i can reliably take heroes out is using spell damage and huge damaging spells aren't enough to kill everything cause it takes 4-5 of those just to kill a single enemy hero) if i have to guess i can only use runemaster to clear extreme 999 cause he reliably deals damages to everything around him

Well, extreme 999 is intended to be almost unbeatable.
I mean, I think I would classify extreme levels like this:

• Extreme < 10: beginners who are learning how extreme works (dragons, assassins, murlocs, hydras...)
• Extreme 11-100: Experienced players wanting a bit of challenge
• Extreme 101-500: Well, we probably spend a bit too much time on this map, but I guess challenge is fun.
• Extreme 501-800: This is definitely supposed to be really hard. Teamplay (or at least complementary heroes in solo) should be needed and errors should be punished quite hard.
• Extreme > 800: Well, that's for crazy people, so let's give them crazy difficulty. Here, a mistake should almost mean defeat.

Congrats, you made it to crazy

Also a question, does cloak of flames damage gets increased by True tank ability of uther? i don't notice if it does increases

It works with every source of damage from Uther, items included.
Tested it to make sure, with a ton of armor and only cloak of flames, I was dealing 10K+ dmg per second (yeah, as I said, a ton of armor). So yeah, working

Something i noticed one time is the ring item shows 99 stacks? i assumed it's because of my mana potion which has 99 stacks too

That's weird. My only guess would be that you swapped items in their slot, and the stacking display stayed ?
But I'm not sure I can something about something like that

Suggestions:
Is there any plan to do something with the flags? i like carrying them around idk maybe there's something cool that can be done with it

Nothing planned for the moment. Might happen in later patchs tho. I too find it kinda sad they exist only to be sold.

I suggest that we can choose how many ways are opened at the start of the game cause it's a hassle to use scripts just to spam -ow again and again

Problem is: sometimes, you need to open/close during game.
I have been thinking about allowing to add a number behind the command (so you can -ow 3 to open 3 lanes). It is low priority right now, but will probably be done for quality of life.

Also typing -extreme ## doesn't work on hero select screen (maybe intentional not sure tho)

It's normal behavior, but I guess it can't hurt to allow it during selection.

The nerf on the wand of desillusion was needed but it was buggy as hell? sometimes the item just completly bugs out for some reason and i can't buy stacks or it displays wrong stuff, maybe just bring back the old one without the stacks but keep the cost and illusion dispell, just nerf the illusion damage or duration to compensate for it not having stacks

I have a fix on charged items ready for next patch (especially concerning wand of illusion and portable demon gate), fixing charges not replicating on secondary hero inventory.
I'll have to run some tests to see the others bugs (never been unabled to buy stacks before).
Making it a permanent spell could be an option too, but I'll have to nerf it to the ground, or it would be far more powerful than others non-legendary items.

Should the default item set we have at the start of the game (Potion of health and mana & TP scroll) would be replaced? i haven't seen anyone keep the scroll or use it, maybe a good idea is to give players one of the early low cost items this map have instead (Maybe randomized or they'll get one based on their hero type) so people can familiarize themselves on the new items cause people doesn't like buying early game items that much except the cloak of flames one (and i keep telling them new items are available on this map but no one buys them)

I have seen scroll being used quite often actually, but mostly at low level. It's a good item allowing to compensate mistakes (by becoming invulnerable and/or being able to come back to castle). True, with more experienced players, scroll tends to be 200 golds, but I think it is needed for newer players.

Giving a random low cost item sure is a interesting idea. I'll have to check how to balance that, but I'll keep the idea in mind for later patches.

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

Yeah the game just straight up crashed on extreme 999 not that it is playable cause my fps goes to negative at that point but it is beatable after this point i'll just have to overcome the lag

Lag is the only thing that keeps higher levels unbeatable by some heroes especially(for now cause i'm still running some tests)
Early on it's not really a problem but once the midgame starts it starts getting out of hand quickly and i can't do anything
There's only one hero and item that is reliable at clearing everything on this level of difficulty (Dryad and Wand) but it's nerfed so it's harder to use

I know every X hero siege maps have this problem so i'll suggest a solution:
Change how the waves are created (Less units but better stats instead) so lanes won't get stacked easily
Early game units don't really do anything much in the later parts of the game so introduce a new difficulty spike on them (Later in the game reduce their quantity as they are the main contributor to the lag and make new units that acts as an upgrade for them with hugely better stats and resistance/abilities)
More flying units instead of land units later on so the path won't be obscured as easily

 

[Marchombre]

Yeah the game just straight up crashed on extreme 999 not that it is playable cause my fps goes to negative at that point but it is beatable after this point i'll just have to overcome the lag

Lag is the only thing that keeps higher levels unbeatable by some heroes especially(for now cause i'm still running some tests)
Early on it's not really a problem but once the midgame starts it starts getting out of hand quickly and i can't do anything
There's only one hero and item that is reliable at clearing everything on this level of difficulty (Dryad and Wand) but it's nerfed so it's harder to use

I know every X hero siege maps have this problem so i'll suggest a solution:
Change how the waves are created (Less units but better stats instead) so lanes won't get stacked easily
Early game units don't really do anything much in the later parts of the game so introduce a new difficulty spike on them (Later in the game reduce their quantity as they are the main contributor to the lag and make new units that acts as an upgrade for them with hugely better stats and resistance/abilities)
More flying units instead of land units later on so the path won't be obscured as easily

I'll try reducing bones duration after death. It currently is at 88 secs, which is unnecessary. Reduced to 30 secs. This will greatly reduce numbers of things to manage & display, and should reduce/postpone lag spikes, while keeping enough corpses for lanes necromancers and Crypt Lord to use.

Will monitor how this improves performance before making more complex changes.

Btw, I'm sorry, I'm guilty of introducing murloc and hydra swarm, which probably doesn't help on that side, even if they leave no corpses behind

 

[PapiSoDelicious]

I'll try reducing bones duration after death. It currently is at 88 secs, which is unnecessary. Reduced to 30 secs. This will greatly reduce numbers of things to manage & display, and should reduce/postpone lag spikes, while keeping enough corpses for lanes necromancers and Crypt Lord to use.

Will monitor how this improves performance before making more complex changes.

Btw, I'm sorry, I'm guilty of introducing murloc and hydra swarm, which probably doesn't help on that side, even if they leave no corpses behind

Yeah those ones are stacking on top of one another on their spawn point and after clearing them i notice a huge performance increase

I just noticed this and idk how it works cause it's either i play solo or 8 people
The whole map is revealed when playing with 8 players which ruins the look and feel of the map cause you can just see everything