Paired Mapping Contest #4 - Dungeon

Mechmap · Nov 15, 2008

I cant say I enyojed Ice Forge very much, the camera was very annoying.

Sure the terrain was nice and the abilities as well but it's not in my taste. Though maybe someone else likes it.

NearbyHermit · Nov 15, 2008

I do!

But yet I have to see the others.

redscores · Nov 15, 2008

Mechmap, I guess your taste is more senseless destruction and such, I can tell you the other map is 10times under the quality of mine and famouspker49...

Ice Forge is a try to bring the typical dungeon RPG back to life...

Kwah · Nov 15, 2008

I cant say I enyojed Ice Forge very much, the camera was very annoying.

Sure the terrain was nice and the abilities as well but it's not in my taste. Though maybe someone else likes it.

Mechmap, I guess your taste is more senseless destruction and such, I can tell you the other map is 10times under the quality of mine and famouspker49...

Ice Forge is a try to bring the typical dungeon RPG back to life...

Way to go. He said he didn't like it that much - the camera was annoying.

You reply - I know my map is better, so there. Now, I must go play it and see.

NearbyHermit · Nov 15, 2008

Now,now,don't argue people!

Kwah · Nov 15, 2008

K, I'll stop.

Where can I get the map though, I can't seem to find it.

NearbyHermit · Nov 15, 2008

hawk900 said:
K, I'll stop.

Where can I get the map though, I can't seem to find it.

What map? I don't get you here!

Sabertooth · Nov 15, 2008

redscores said:
Mechmap, I guess your taste is more senseless destruction and such, I can tell you the other map is 10times under the quality of mine and famouspker49...

Ice Forge is a try to bring the typical dungeon RPG back to life...

Senseless destruction can be fun, that's why I enjoyed "The Jagged Relic" since I was raping shit. But it took like 5 minutes to kill 3 enemies in Ice Forge. Why? It's really unecessary. In Jagged, you kill like, 30 enemies in 5 minutes. Sure, it's a lot shorter, but a lot more fun that getting frustrated 10 minutes into the game.

Hawk, http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/909907-post344.html

NearbyHermit · Nov 15, 2008

Sabertooth said:
Senseless destruction can be fun, that's why I enjoyed "The Jagged Relic" since I was raping shit. But it took like 5 minutes to kill 3 enemies in Ice Forge. Why? It's really unecessary. In Jagged, you kill like, 30 enemies in 5 minutes. Sure, it's a lot shorter, but a lot more fun that getting frustrated 10 minutes into the game.

Hawk, http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/909907-post344.html

I really enjoy Overkill games,they really are fun!

redscores · Nov 15, 2008

Read the description of the contest and you will see what I mean..... damn...

And normal mobs in Ice Forge die in a few seconds... only bosses take longer.

Boss Battle(s) - Possibly the most challenging part in the map. Make it long and difficult. - /10

Vercas · Nov 15, 2008

Hmmm Redscores i found a bug : when i enter the mirror maze i just get a fatal error, nothing more :smile:

And i can mind control a huge worm...

redscores · Nov 15, 2008

The Critical error never happened to me... so I cant fix it, because I see no difference between those and other teleportations.

Vercas · Nov 15, 2008

So i have a problem because it happend to me 3 times...

redscores · Nov 15, 2008

I will try it later, and then we'll see.

Sabertooth · Nov 15, 2008

redscores said:
Read the description of the contest and you will see what I mean..... damn...

And normal mobs in Ice Forge die in a few seconds... only bosses take longer.

Did you test this with 3/4 people? We played with a party of 3 and it took far more than a few seconds to kill a mob. Especially those advanced crystal golems, who for some reason explode into little ones...

Hawkwing · Nov 15, 2008

Sabertooth said:
Did you test this with 3/4 people? We played with a party of 3 and it took far more than a few seconds to kill a mob. Especially those advanced crystal golems,

Yeah. They are quite hard to kill. They shouldn't be too much easier, but enough that it's extremely unlikely you'll die against them.

Sabertooth said:
who for some reason explode into little ones...

That makes it challenging and surprising. Imo, that's a good thing.

Sabertooth · Nov 15, 2008

Hawkwing said:
That makes it challenging and surprising. Imo, that's a good thing.

Not when it takes just as long to kill a big one as it does 3 little ones.

redscores · Nov 16, 2008

Lol? it takes long for you to kill 3 small golems? then you should get skill... sorry, but even with 2 men we killed small golems in less than 45 seconds.

Sabertooth, I dont believe you at all.... your feedback is not right, I tried the map by myself with DSG and such....

Mechmap · Nov 16, 2008

redscores said:
Mechmap, I guess your taste is more senseless destruction and such, I can tell you the other map is 10times under the quality of mine and famouspker49...

Ice Forge is a try to bring the typical dungeon RPG back to life...

I didnt mean to imply the map is bad. It is good but I can't see much rpg in it since all I did was kill monsters?

And you shouldn't discriminate others map with that yours is 10 times the quality even if it's true. Quality isnt everything.

kewlthis · Nov 16, 2008

Mechmap said:
I didnt mean to imply the map is bad. It is good but I can't see much rpg in it since all I did was kill monsters?

And you shouldn't discriminate others map with that yours is 10 times the quality even if it's true. Quality isnt everything.

Agreed. Its really pathetic since some people cant take critic and just make their map better.

redscores · Nov 16, 2008

Well, for example Diablo, is, beside the game view, really like my map, you kill monsters, there are some big monsters which need long to be killed...

There is a story... I just wrote it down...

I see some very BIG similiarities with many hack'n slash RPGs...

So tell me again that it isnt really RPG like...

No arguments, but a big mouth, really not funny.

Mechmap · Nov 16, 2008

I never said it wasn't an rpg, I really like Diablo and its hack'n'slash.

Let's just say I don't like the map so much. It's no big deal.

redscores · Nov 16, 2008

Then tell me whats wrong with the map?

Maybe?

Just saying "I don't like it." is no solution.

Mechmap · Nov 16, 2008

Theres nothing wrong about it really, its just my personal opinion. There is no need to take it so personally.

The camera annoys me the most since it gives no ideal overview.
And the gameplay seems to have no story. I mean, there is no main quest? There should be a main quest that explains what to do and why. The Jagged Relic also missing this.

Kwah · Nov 16, 2008

Its all the camera angle.

Sabertooth · Nov 16, 2008

redscores said:
Lol? it takes long for you to kill 3 small golems? then you should get skill... sorry, but even with 2 men we killed small golems in less than 45 seconds.

Sabertooth, I dont believe you at all.... your feedback is not right, I tried the map by myself with DSG and such....

I played with Hawkwing and Famous. Cleric, Champion, and Ravager (or whatever the felguard class is). Unless I have a totally retarded perception of time, it took us far longer than 45 seconds to kill the 3 small golems.

Feel free not to believe me. It only hurts you not to look into it more.

FamousPker49 · Nov 16, 2008

Sabertooth said:
I played with Hawkwing and Famous. Cleric, Champion, and Ravager (or whatever the felguard class is). Unless I have a totally retarded perception of time, it took us far longer than 45 seconds to kill the 3 small golems.

Feel free not to believe me. It only hurts you not to look into it more.

Yes, this is true. It took quite a long time.

redscores · Nov 16, 2008

Should i make them with 100 life? so you can boast with your e-penis and go easy mode through the dungeon? completely pointless just to make you feel "haha! i can beat this! it is SOOO easy".

I wont do that.

vote for whoever you want, if you want easy action games, go and play warlock or something, but RPGs are never really fast.

I tried to make a challenging map, for people with a bit brain... but oh well... as it seems none of those are here.

kewlthis · Nov 16, 2008

Uptadet the map and hopefully its not so easy anymore (ill have to test it later).

Changelog:
+ Potion stacking system.
+ Bosses drop items and now items can really help.
+ Buffed almost all items.
+ Stronger bosses in many ways, 2nd boss has new spell.
+ Added author/description.
+ Ending cinematic (if you manage to beat all the bosses).

Link:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/909517-post338.html

Mechmap · Nov 16, 2008

redscores said:
Should i make them with 100 life? so you can boast with your e-penis and go easy mode through the dungeon? completely pointless just to make you feel "haha! i can beat this! it is SOOO easy".

I wont do that.

vote for whoever you want, if you want easy action games, go and play warlock or something, but RPGs are never really fast.

I tried to make a challenging map, for people with a bit brain... but oh well... as it seems none of those are here.

Nobody wants that, its good that it is challenging. Why do you take it so personally? It's a good map and you've been with creating it. Be proud!

Kwah · Nov 16, 2008

redscores said:
I tried to make a challenging map.

Its not that which annoys me so much. Its the camera angle.

redscores · Nov 16, 2008

what should i change the angle too? constructive criticsm is MISSING, if you give some of it, then I may change something, but oh well...

Tell me to what I should change it! I dont know what you people like! but i cant make the camera too high, because then you could see above the stones.

I maybe have a idea what you want, a direct from behind sight?

Kwah · Nov 16, 2008

Something that makes it easier to control your hero. I found that you would click -you screen rotates, and you are disoriented. I don't really know what it should be exactly, but experiment and test. Something that didn't rotate with your hero would be the best.

kewlthis · Nov 16, 2008

I think redscores reply to all of your feedback is so ridiculous, you should just leave him be.

Whats the point asking feedback if you go like "OMG You brainless shit, cant kill monster", even tought people are trying to help.

redscores · Nov 16, 2008

Well, please show me where I wrote what you did.

And the cam rotates... wouldnt it rotate you could never change your direction...

Mechmap · Nov 16, 2008

I think the standard wc3 camera is good.

And you could try lock the camera to the unit, that way you will only be able to see a certain area.

Sabertooth · Nov 16, 2008

You could set it up so that you have fixed cameras at corridors (some games do this). When you enter path A, Your camera is changed to camera "A". Walk down the hallway to a turn, and woah! camera "B" kicks in because you're now in hallway "B"

Otherwise, just return to normal wc3 view.

redscores · Nov 16, 2008

No Mechmap, end of the story.

This Map is something DIFFERENT i dont want to follow your pathetic standard thingys....

I wont change the camera from this.

And if you vote a other map just for the camera then this contest fails.

Sabertooth · Nov 16, 2008

Uh, hey, redscores, buddy, pal. If something makes me not like your map, sorry, I'm voting for the other one because of that. If people don't like the normal wc3 camera that "The Jagged Relic" features, then they'll vote for you. It can work both ways. But PLEASE, don't argue that a camera angle is the only thing that makes your rpg different from the others. If so, that's sad.

kewlthis · Nov 16, 2008

redscores said:
No Mechmap, end of the story.

This Map is something DIFFERENT i dont want to follow your pathetic standard thingys....

I wont change the camera from this.

And if you vote a other map just for the camera then this contest fails.

redscores said:
Should i make them with 100 life? so you can boast with your e-penis and go easy mode through the dungeon? completely pointless just to make you feel "haha! i can beat this! it is SOOO easy".

I wont do that.

vote for whoever you want, if you want easy action games, go and play warlock or something, but RPGs are never really fast.

I tried to make a challenging map, for people with a bit brain... but oh well... as it seems none of those are here.

redscores said:
Mechmap, I guess your taste is more senseless destruction and such, I can tell you the other map is 10times under the quality of mine and famouspker49...

Ice Forge is a try to bring the typical dungeon RPG back to life...

redscores said:
Avator... your half knowledge is horrible... it IS single player compatible, I played it myself alone till the end...

What a tooltip? what are you talking about?

And as I wrote, no horrible pcs take this map, I tried it myself, without being host and felt no lag.

so uhh 90% of your posts are like. Fuck off I wont change anything. So maybe be quiet now, if you aint gona do anything with your map. Im tired of you flaming people that are trying to help.

Mechmap · Nov 16, 2008

Redscores, you SERIUSLY need to calm down. All I did was make a suggestion and you call me pathetic because of that?

You have been around enough to know better. I won't vote another map because of a camera system but it counts in the final score. We'll see.

redscores · Nov 16, 2008

I am calm, just sad about the things here...

Sabertooth · Nov 16, 2008

Like, people not liking your map?
I'm sure plenty of people deal with people not liking their map everyday.

You just need to stop thinking you're always right. Think from the player's perspective, not the developer's. Just because you think something is good doesn't mean the players will think it's good. Your current camera is just wonky and annoying as it is.

redscores · Nov 16, 2008

Well, I think from the player's perspective, when I play the map, I pretty much enjoy it, the camera system gives the feeling of old 3D RPGs, and that was my target.

Hawkwing · Nov 16, 2008

The camera system is fine as it is right now. I see no reason to revert it to normal or adjust it in any way.

redscores · Nov 16, 2008

Thanks Hawking

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Sabertooth · Nov 16, 2008

If you're really stuck on that camera, and unwilling to move, consider this:
Since arrow keys are unused. Make it so you can rotate the camera round your person using the arrow keys (left and right). This will eliminate issues similar to a one I had, where I was on the opposite side of a rock but my camera was behind it and I couldn't see myself or my enemies.

Hawkwing · Nov 16, 2008

I've encountered similar problems during my time playing "Ice Forge" as well. It would be quite helpful to have a camera, which you can rotate, without having it return to it's normal angle with the release of the button which initially moves the camera; Yes, I am referring to using Insert and Delete.

Sabertooth · Nov 16, 2008

I didn't think insert and delete worked that way.

EDIT: I just tested it, they don't work with Ice Forge's camera. But I see how what you said could've worked.

Hawkwing · Nov 16, 2008

That's not my point, anyways.