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I think that it's interesting that for all the moral outrage in this thread nobody has actually come up with a coherent argument for why it's wrong which is anything more complex than "because I said so".
I think that it's interesting that for all the moral outrage in this thread nobody has actually come up with a coherent argument for why it's wrong which is anything more complex than "because I said so".
I agree that it's taboo and I am personally not interested, but the interesting point here is that most people here think it is unquestionably wrong and yet are unable to provide any reason for it. Just because you personally are not interested in something and/or it's culturally considered taboo does not make it morally wrong.I never said it was wrong, I just said, it was taboo, and I would never be interested in doing such a thing, help yourselves though.![]()
Why is it important to have animal consent in this case but not in any other case (forced labour, forced breeding for stuff like chickens producing eggs, killing them for food, etc)?I haven't really read many of the posts, or have any knowledge about having sex with animals. But one question is, whether the animals are consenting or not. Because if they are not, it would be rape and is therefore wrong.
IMO, intercourse with animals is not okeeh.
Fuck it Zombie, now you're just playing the straw man. I usually think you bring insightful enough ideas to the table but this is a pretty pissy take on anything anyone's brought up in this thread.
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Why is it important to have animal consent in this case but not in any other case (forced labour, forced breeding for stuff like chickens producing eggs, killing them for food, etc)?
I was saying that our emotions, values and rationality (among other things) make us what we are, humans and not animals, since these things are stuff that animals lack, but formulate our character. Since we are able to think, feel and create, and that we're driven by other things than instinct, we are different from any other race on this planet. We are able to make a distinction between instinct and feelings and we're unique in that regard.
By saying it's a trend to behave like animals, I'm trying to reflect on the fact that people are becoming tolerant of inhuman things mostly by arguing that the same behavior is found in nature, and that people attribute emotional things (such as xenophobia and intolerance) to socialization, and thus to rationality. That standpoint attacks socialization or civilization in general, which is strictly a human phenomenon, and no matter how much you try to rationalize it or disagree with me attributing rationality and emotions to humans only, civilization is ours only.
By my previous post, I was simply voicing my disagreement over how much the New World Order / Globalization / Call it what you want is taking a direction towards destroying our human values and human nature which have been ours since the beginning of recorded history. Destroying rationality and emotions and giving instinct all the power. Destroying the value of a family, friendship, love, loyalty, patriotism, and so on, by telling you that you are the center of the world and do the best to feel as happy as possible by drinking/fucking/being lazy as much as possible. This zoophilia thing is a perfect example of nothing but sexsexsex being important in someone's life, since someone who sinks to that level obviously is not emotionally attached to his 'partner'. The same phenomenon is detectable everywhere, free porn, tits in ads, legal prostitution, gay marriage, and so on.
Over an emotional basis, I disagree. I'm a human, not an otter, a camel or a goat, and I like it that way.
Why is it wrong to do things we enjoy?
If our doing things we enjoy in some ways brings us closer to other animals (humans are animals whether you like it or not), why is that a bad thing? Hell, why is it even worth mentioning?
How is there no difference between not holding one specific value and not holding any values at all? 50-100 years ago your same arguments could be used for rampant sexism, racism and the like. Why is this somehow different or worthy of special consideration?
So I take it you're vegan, don't wear any animal products (fur, leather etc), never say something rude to anyone, never talk behind anyone's back, never fight anyone, and so on and so forth, or at least try as hard as you humanly can to follow these things (you should be vegan regardless, it isn't that hard to follow if you think it's right)? After all, by your definition of bad you ought to follow these.It's not wrong to do things we enjoy, it's wrong to do things which are bad. Bad is something, which affects someone in a negative way. If you have sex with a llama instead of your wife, it's bad. You hurt her feelings. Either way, you hurt the llama.
We are animals, so yes there are animals which can do that. In addition, it's not about trying to be animals, it's about not trying to not be animals.Why the hell would anyone try to get close to an animal? We're physically and mentally superior to them. We are above them. It looks like you went over my entire previous post.
We are civilized, we have empathy, we have the feeling of commitment and we can sense what benefits the 'greater good'. No animal can do that. Why would we strip ourselves of these talents, only to get close to things that don't even consider that we should get close to them? In what way would that benefit our race?
The thing with the -isms that you don't seem to understand is that they aren't centred in people being different; for example, it isn't sexist to acknowledge that only women can give birth. They're centred in irrational bias; for example, not hiring black people just because they're black.Racism and (rampart) sexism are sort of a similar issue, but I'd rather not go into that, since I'd most likely get banned. And no, I don't think dropping either was a good idea. It's no accident that we're different, we should not pretend that we're not.
It's a beneficial process; the person doing it feels good. How is that different from eating meat instead of something which isn't meat, or wearing leather/fur instead of something which isn't leather/fur, etc?You just refuse to see that its rape (animals cant have concent) and unlike killing and harvesting, rape is a totaly unbenifitial process, you refuse to accept that reason because of your broken moral,if you even have such a thing.A life lived for pleasure is a wasted one, better be a fertaliser like riot said.Also thinking for your ass will make mankind evolve into sludges (100% scientificly proben) and God will smite the earth like that Judas Priest album.
So I take it you're vegan, don't wear any animal products (fur, leather etc), never say something rude to anyone, never talk behind anyone's back, never fight anyone, and so on and so forth, or at least try as hard as you humanly can to follow these things (you should be vegan regardless, it isn't that hard to follow if you think it's right)? After all, by your definition of bad you ought to follow these.
We are animals, so yes there are animals which can do that. In addition, it's not about trying to be animals, it's about not trying to not be animals.
The thing with the -isms that you don't seem to understand is that they aren't centred in people being different; for example, it isn't sexist to acknowledge that only women can give birth. They're centred in irrational bias; for example, not hiring black people just because they're black.
I am not asking "why wouldn't you", I am asking "why shouldn't you". My argument is exactly what you said at the end: unless you can justify that it's wrong, it isn't.I don't know what to say to all this stupid shit. The back and forth is idiotic.
Trolman: Why would you want to have sex with an animal?
Purplepoot: Why wouldn't you?
Both of your arguments form a paradox, it's an endless cycle.
Zoophilia is not wrong or right, cannibalism is not wrong or right, necrophilia is not wrong or right, I thought we already went over this stupid fucking argument on morals. You do what you think is right, and avoid what you don't, you do what is legal, and avoid what isn't. There is no cosmic rationale, that you can consort for answers on what is wrong or right, because there is no such thing as wrong or right.
I dont know how this tread even got away here In Hive since this is most definately not the right place for it but my opinion is that Zofilia and all other stuff that you've mentioned Is for someone that cant find a real life Partner and have a relationship with her, so they need to satisfy themself with an Animal??!!
Animals have their own partners and Zofilia is abusing animals and should be considered as crime!
Two of the people who are arguing in this thread are mods, and I believe one used to be a mod? Problem?
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You are beyond incorrect, it is for people who are sexually attracted to animals, that's what zoophilia means, sexual attraction to animals, not inability to find a girlfriend who gets you off. People who can't find girlfriends masturbate excessively, like myself. xD
See:I have nothing agains masturbating that is one normal thing for a normal Human.
And for ''people who are sexualy attracted to animals'' thats their problem i said they should be treated as mentaly ill people and as perverts as well as anione who whould let them do their thing and by that abuse animals becuse again you keep forgeting about animals and about how they feal about all that...
Why is it important to have animal consent in this case but not in any other case (forced labour, forced breeding for stuff like chickens producing eggs, killing them for food, etc)?
Exactly!I have nothing agains masturbating that is one normal thing for a normal Human.
Well exactly that too.And for ''people who are sexualy attracted to animals'' thats their problem i said they should be treated as mentaly ill people and as perverts as well as anione who whould let them do their thing...
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We don't need meat to survive. Plenty of people get along just fine as vegetarians or vegans. We are not carnivores, we are omnivores.Support for your opinion but you need to keep in mind that we need to survive as well as other animals and beings on this Planet so we need to eat and Drink and any other carnivore animal whould kill a Human if it needs foor for Survival and that is the way nature goes, as for Forced Labour I support you totaly but tehnology goes on and no longer we need animals for farming and stuff...
But Zoofilia is abusing animals with no reason...
Two of the people who are arguing in this thread are mods, and I believe one used to be a mod? Problem?
We don't need meat to survive. Plenty of people get along just fine as vegetarians or vegans. We are not carnivores, we are omnivores.
In addition, plenty of animals are perfectly happy to have sex with people when the opportunity arises (a situation with a male animal and a female human is the easiest to demonstrate obviously).
Thirdly, any sort of argument from nature is a fallacy. Nature does not provide some sort of magical moral code which separates right from wrong. Just because something is a certain way doesn't mean it should be that way.
You forgot about your Supertzar.
Also i should mention that masturbation is self abuse and as life goes "everything you do to yourself that doesent effect others is okay".
Animals are still used for labor but only because machines are more expensive, evetually as time goes it will become obsolite.
marko9, its all right, but you forgot to tell him about genetically modified food.
Apart from some fruit and vegetables, and that meat we have, there is about more than 80% artificially and genetically altered food.
of course it can replace food, but its effect will take on after long time. Lifetime will have shorter duration. Man already lives shorter thanks to all technically ,,improvements".
Improvements are good indeed, but way they are used is wrong totally.
But hell man, how then they know about consequences when they justify all time dirty, unnaturalthings such as zoophilia?
The hell? Your immune system and organs will not shatter if you eat vegetarian. In addition, you're freely admitting that your previous argument made no sense because you are perfectly happy to do other things that infringe upon animal rights just because you enjoy them/feel the urge to do them.You can eat flowers and leaves I dont blame youbut I am more for a good peace of meat and Vegetables with it.
You can continue eating that stuff of your while you Imune System and Organizam shaters and our lifetime gets more and more shorter...
You can eat flowers and leaves I dont blame youbut I am more for a good peace of meat and Vegetables with it.
You can continue eating that stuff of your while you Imune System and Organizam shaters and our lifetime gets more and more shorter...
I think it did that a couple of threads ago.Eitherway, I'll leave this topic and wait for it to completely derail.
... I think most people's fundamental understanding of genetics amounts to that they don't want their kid to look like the mailman.there is about more than 80% artificially and genetically altered food. of course it can replace food, but its effect will take on after long time.
Lifetime will have shorter duration. Man already lives shorter thanks to all technically ,,improvements".
I don't even know how many fallacies this single sentence encompasses. At the very least you're poisoning the well, or do you actually suppose that our take on zoophilia has any effect on how well we can account for the implications of something entirely different? Your argument holds about as much water as if I were to say that anything you have to say on genetics is bound to be false since you're having difficulties peeling an onion without tearing up.But hell man, how then they know about consequences when they justify all time dirty, unnaturalthings such as zoophilia?
Why did you pull this from thin air all of a sudden? See:Yes, someone may decide that with his one life cut off another life, or even two, three, who knows....
He will go to electric chair (hopefully), but he made his choice. he did not care about others, or about consequences.
You are not alone in world, you cannot do some insane shits and abusing everything, and hiding yourself under ,,its my choice".
You're allegedly saying zoophilia somehow impedes human survival and living standards. So, I dare you to show it to me. How, pray tell, does zoophilia affect us directly so that it should be punishable by severe consequences like stripping the offender of basic human rights (e.g. freedom.)No murder is not arbitrary since it is directly counter-intuitive to survival among your peers and yourself.
Doesn't this whole thing tie in with the sheep finding the wolf insane?But there are some ,,levels". I do not think that I am at that low level of human retardation.
... If this is what's to be expected from normal humans and their minds, you don't really convey a bright future.LONG LIVE NORMAL HUMANS AND THEIR MINDS!
Most people in this thread would do well to attend a philosophy course.
I'd like to point out that quite a lot of us, are trying to say it's neither good or bad. And we give the reasons why, but you choose to ignore them.