Atmosphere

A few terrains that I have done over the past few months.

3rd and 4th are really great, nice terrains

Pretty good, the first two and the indoor one are a bit below the quality level ofthe others, but still good work.

-*meow*

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I agree. The second sort of bland and not many DooDads are in there. But I do like the rest of them, especially the indoor one.

I really liked the last one. How that mountain in the background is really far away )

Really, nice, i saw a couple of them on wc3c

Actually, there is no much terraining, but modelling, but it still looks cool.
The second one could use some wind effect and the tundra needs some more plants, imho

Very nice, I like'em all

Cheers,
~Archian.

vvverrry good...

I Really like the Diseased Dark tower one, really great atmosphere

I like the indoor one alot, but all of them are good, GJ!

Yeah that one also is very awesome. They're all amazing if you ask me XD

nice nice!

you Killer_Mushroom?

Very nicely done. . .I like them all. You definitely are quite talented.

Glad to see that you've come to the Hive as well. . .=D

+ REP!

Right, forgot the Archian policy.... + REP!

brad.dude03 said:

Right, forgot the Archian policy....

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WHAT is that suposed to mean ?!

Lol! It's not supposed to mean anything in that sense. What I meant by the 'Archian Policy' is how you enocurage users to give rep to other users when they do something you like, make a meaningful post, or share something cool, like in this case. So since the last one was the case here, I forgot to add rep earlier, so I did so now. No offense meant

Freakazoid said:

nice nice!

you Killer_Mushroom?

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Yes

Actually, there is no much terraining, but modelling, but it still looks cool.

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Incorporating models (imported or not) onto the underlying terrain is fundamentally terraining. An unexperienced terrainer can use custom models, but it can still look terrible.

Cerastes said:

Incorporating models (imported or not) onto the underlying terrain is fundamentally terraining. An unexperienced terrainer can use custom models, but it can still look terrible.

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Exactly.

-Deck

I don't have to use custo models to make mine look terrible Xd My terraining skills suck eggs.

Update: Added more pictures

They look great, now work on WotTH

No, don't work on WotTH work on UL

camel's_hump said:

They look great, now work on WotTH

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I'm going to procrastinate until wc3c starts up again.

XD Yay for procrastinating! I really, really, think that last screen you added kicks ass!

Get on msn About your terrain, I like how you usually do a mountain in the distance... it always gives them a good touch.

You have my big respect if you modelled all that stuff.
If you did not, there is not a lot of your work. In other words: 90% modelling, 10% terraining.

And an even more skilled terrainer can make a terrain without importing. Yes, I know, it would lose some eye-candiness, but the overview will be good. Just imagine: time is going backwards, and now we once again do maps for RoC, which means there is no import editor.

You could still get imports in, it was just a little trickier XD

The Tinker lab is my fav.

Great, as always.

@Archworm: If you use primarily Blizzard doodads, then Blizzard has done most of the work, not you.

You have my big respect if you modelled all that stuff.
If you did not, there is not a lot of your work. In other words: 90% modelling, 10% terraining.

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Yes, its actually his work (teh' terrain). I swear making those scenes isnt that easy. Models are made for people to use them, so i see no problem if he uses custom models, in fact, all the recognized cinematics-landscaping terrainers use plenty of custom models, effect, textures, just look at some terraines made by ghenjis, Gitlich, 2P, KrewL RaiN, etc, etc.
I use custom models too, and u can be sure all of we think blizzard trees suck really bad.

About the 90% modelling, ur right, for example, he used plenty of Nasrudin's models, in the other thread started by ghenjis, even in the screens u can see clearly rooms almost entirely made by Nas' Indoors pack.
Now, Nasrudin is an excellent & great modeller/skinner, but these guys (terrainers) can use those models in terrain screens or cinematics and have something like... 500% better eye-candy results?

And an even more skilled terrainer can make a terrain without importing. Yes, I know, it would lose some eye-candiness, but the overview will be good. Just imagine: time is going backwards, and now we once again do maps for RoC, which means there is no import editor.

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Why do u want to use blizzard models, knowing there are great models that can make ur screen look even better than using blizzard's ones? These screens are clearly from cinematics / only eye-cany landscapes, they arent going to be used in multiplayer maps, bnet or not.

Cerastes said:

@Archworm: If you use primarily Blizzard doodads, then Blizzard has done most of the work, not you.

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That doesnt make sense, of course u will use blizzard's models, since its a blizzard game.
Anyway, the answer its above - custom models -.

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Now plz stop it, these are two different ways of terraining, with / without importing.

This is how you should judge: Models can improve quality of terrain/cinni (good models) if any terrainer use it. BUT look at the scale down... if you are good terrainer you will have 3 points better result anyway... same for models... its better to find good models or use integrated ones than to import some that doesnt even fit. Now its art to find or crate good models that will fit! if you dont know what models you should import, dont even try to do so, because: you already got a point down!

Good terrainer+good modells=5
Good terrainer+blizz models=4
Good terrainer+bad models=3
Bad terrainer+good models=2
Bad terrainer+blizz models=1
Bad terrainer+bad models=0

Archworm just drop the whole import thing already.

Nope, I'm just bothered because there's a teraining contest at xgm.ru, which rules say "NO importing". And now I want to know, which famous terrainers can follow this rule.

If you're curious, why don't you submit a challenge here, following the same rules?

Sounds good... U' might ask Archian.

ArchWorm said:

Nope, I'm just bothered because there's a teraining contest at xgm.ru, which rules say "NO importing". And now I want to know, which famous terrainers can follow this rule.

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They can follow the rule, it's not that hard. . .you'll notice though that those pics weren't made for that particular contest so naturally they didn't mind importing stuff. . .

HernanG summed it up pretty much though - I am in total agreement with him. If you think he(Cerastes) didn't do a good job just because he used custom models than lets see you do better. Just because he used custom imports does not make the terrain worse - in fact, I would argue, that it only enhances the terrain. I can guarantee you that what he did took a lot longer than it looks.


90% Modeling?
10% Terraining?

No.

My score would be more along the realms of this:

20% Modeling
80% Terraining

Good work Cerastes I look forward to seeing more from you in the future.

-Deck

i already told that these are great screens... do i know you from wc3camps? i can swear that ive seen that avatar somewhere...

Ja, Killer_Mushroom

I don't think that importing or just using Blizzard doodads makes it any easier. Look, think of it this way. A map could have all of the custom skins, and look great bgut still suck ass. It's the same way with terraining. Sure you have all of these doodads, but the question is how can I use them in a creative way? That's the hardest part to making terrain look good, and I think you did a great job at it. You used your imagination and creativity to create all of these different atmospheres, eac with their own you uinque 'feel' to them. I'd like to see any of the whiners do better.

Cerastes, that challenge is copyrighted, I don't want problems =)