YDWE PK (World Editor)

[deepstrasz]

Why a separate upload?
Why not simply update this: YDWE - Map Editor

 

[Enemy1PK]

Why a separate upload?
Why not simply update this: YDWE - Map Editor

These versions are too different.
If compatibility with maps from previous patches is severely lost, it’s difficult to call it just the next patch.
In addition, this editor is designed to create maps without using the Chinese api and other functionality that we will never get.
A lot of unnecessary stuff has been cut out here and new things have been added in place, the percentage difference between the versions is too large, at least in my opinion.
I can rename it to PKWE if you think it would be better, I did not do this out of respect for the original authors.

 

[deepstrasz]

These versions are too different.

Will the previous one still be updated?

 

[Enemy1PK]

Will the previous one still be updated?

No, only bug fixes if someone reports them.
Maintaining two different versions is difficult, and the methods of previous authors are outdated and much inferior to mine.
Nobody will use the old version because it is much worse for the average user, and obviously we will never have a platform with support for DZAPI and JAPI.
Okay, maybe it will be used by those who made the map on YDWE GUI and are experiencing difficulties with the transition to the new version, but I don’t think there are many such people, because I periodically check new maps and find no traces of YDWE, people continue to make maps using JNGP/Reforged GUI crutches.
However, let’s not forget that during all this time there was not a single proposal or bug report (as far as I remember)
I can also say that this version will not be updated without feedback.
I have already seen how community treats people who want to help them and also my remote Debuff Duration System, which some people gave a low rating only because it did not have default GUI crutches and therefore the system was less friendly to beginners (and now it is added to YDWE PK)
The original author has received thousands of support messages in China, but I'm seeing people showing more interest in the Community Edition or Better Triggers than in YDWE, even though the vast majority of users are still making GUI maps.
Based on this, you probably understand how I feel, so this is my last attempt.
I provided you with a new, clean Excalibur, if you cannot remove it from the stone, that is your problem.

 

[deepstrasz]

No, only bug fixes if someone reports them.
Maintaining two different versions is difficult, and the methods of previous authors are outdated and much inferior to mine.

Hmm. Then consider if it's not pointless to have two separate ones. Maybe the threads should be fused and the most recent version kept?

 

[TDNSR]

I mostly use WE mods to increase tile space.
JNGP did that admirably, if clunkily.
This editor mod here lets you shoot yourself in the foot with that, because replacing cliff tiles is not something either the editor nor WC3 like.
I would argue that's actually a good thing, because you can force some different model walls.
There should still be a 16 entry limit on tiles though, because that appears to be the maximum limit both in the editor and in the game.

That newly generated maps are by default not able to start is a problem.

The improved loading time is great.

 

[tulee]

I have already seen how community treats people who want to help them and also my remote Debuff Duration System, which some people gave a low rating only because it did not have default GUI crutches and therefore the system was less friendly to beginners (and now it is added to YDWE PK)
The original author has received thousands of support messages in China, but I'm seeing people showing more interest in the Community Edition or Better Triggers than in YDWE, even though the vast majority of users are still making GUI maps.

Most people will assume this editor will be incompatible with latest wc3 patch, because custom editors normally have this issue of having serious bugs when played in more recent versions of wc3. I know you said in the description that this new version of YDWE is compatible with reforged, but that is a serious risk for anyone who makes a map with your tool, and then maybe finds out later that newest versions of wc3 cant play their map, since blizzard has no obligation to make new versions compatible with 3rd party world editors.

Also some of your comments come across in a small way as looking down on people who choose to use GUI, even though outside of that group of people who specialize in code, GUI is most accessible for the vast majority of map makers.

 

[Enemy1PK]

Hmm. Then consider if it's not pointless to have two separate ones. Maybe the threads should be fused and the most recent version kept?

Okay, will rebranding to PKWE/other name suit you? Or delete old?
in any case, differences with old YDWE will become greater over time.

YDWE is compatible with reforged

Partially compatible, you can use the reforged api, but you lose the opportunity for convenient testing (and everything connected with it, for example, slk optimization before map test)

but that is a serious risk for anyone who makes a map with your tool

It looks like you don't really understand how everything works.
1) I was told about possibility of using YDWE + Reforged by the person who made the Dance of the dragons map, which means that at least one user has already tested it, and then I checked it too.
2) YDWE uses only standard JASS 1.26 and even leaves objects from version 1.26, no problems can arise.
You can migrate your map to Reforged Editor at any time, since your map is based on the oldest version.
Once again, enabling Reforged support option allows you to save a map with functions from Reforged in YDWE without errors like "unknown function" What compatibility issues would you expect to see? this is literally the same as saving the map in Reforged itself.

Also some of your comments come across in a small way as looking down on people who choose to use GUI, even though outside of that group of people who specialize in code, GUI is most accessible for the vast majority of map makers.

In your opinion, person who does more for GUI users than anyone else despises them?
If you haven’t read, I have repeatedly said that I started with the GUI myself, in which YDWE helped me a lot.
I don't like the default GUI, I don't want to see or make hundreds of unreadable crutches like global udg_variables in the Damage Engine, a bunch of unnecessary triggers in the trigger editor and manual copying of abilities.
Everyone hated me on XGM because their community laughs at GUI users and offers to learn JASS, while I looked at the Chinese community and their YDWE and then began to say that they were wrong, we should help beginners like they did in China, and not laugh above them.
Your message looks like trolling, you can’t even imagine how many crutches I had to do so that GUI users wouldn’t do them.

 

[tulee]

It looks like you don't really understand how everything works.
1) I was told about possibility of using YDWE + Reforged by the person who made the Dance of the dragons map, which means that at least one user has already tested it, and then I checked it too.

1 guy told you that it is compatible, so you are assuming it is compatible. Every map I have seen with YDWE cannot be opened on 1.32+. W.E gets error and auto closes when trying to open. I think it is fair to say that most people will be scared to use any YDWE in their maps if they want their map to be playable on Blizzards Bnet platform. Even if you have modified YDWE to be open-able in 1.32+, all it needs if for a new wc3 patch to cause a bug with maps made using your tool, and then they won't be able to play their map on Bnet.

In your opinion, person who does more for GUI users than anyone else despises them?

Okay maybe I misread your comments regarding your view on GUI users. But the vibe your comments gave was you are upset people are not using your tool even though you had done so much by making these tools. 3rd party editors will never take off in popularity because there is no way to know if they will still be compatible with future versions of Wc3 being released. Community edition of wc3 is only getting attention because people who are angry with Reforged think it might bring back Wc3 to its roots--- which won't happen, but they are free to feel that way. Putting effort into making 3rd party editor probably is not worth it if you want lots of people to use the tool, since the direction of hiveworkhop community is moving towards using the latest patches of Wc3, and not the older ones.

 

[Enemy1PK]

1 guy told you that it is compatible, so you are assuming it is compatible. Every map I have seen with YDWE cannot be opened on 1.32+. W.E gets error and auto closes when trying to open. I think it is fair to say that most people will be scared to use any YDWE in their maps if they want their map to be playable on Blizzards Bnet platform. Even if you have modified YDWE to be open-able in 1.32+, all it needs if for a new wc3 patch to cause a bug with maps made using your tool, and then they won't be able to play their map on Bnet.

Problems?
Never try to argue with people who know more than you.
I already said that there will be no problems because it is impossible.
Do you know why YDWE maps don't open in the Reforged editor? because it does not have the GUI functions that YDWE has, and no editor other than YDWE can parse unknown functions.
If you made a map on YDWE and then for some reason decided to leave it, of course you will have to abandon all the GUI functions that YDWE gave you, you will have to remove them / convert them to JASS, and the pseudo functions and systems will have to be replaced with real ones .
However, this is all logical and is not a problem, because there are no other options, no one will give you better conditions than YDWE, because after the Reforged editor it is almost impossible to switch to older versions, because it affects the object editor and so on, at the same time YDWE it just forces you to give up its functions.
And yes, words of any map author are more important than the words of a commentator on the forum, because he tested it, and then I did too.

In addition, support for Reforged is not a priority since I am a supporter of old patches that allow maps to gather the largest audience.I just added the ability for those who want and can use such important things as preprocessor directives and which you will never get in Reforged editor.
Although I have no problem adding all the Reforged features to the GUI and enabling them along with this option.In theory, you can even launch a Reforged map for a test from YDWE and even do slk optimization.
But these are just theories, because if there is no demand, there will be no supply.

Okay maybe I misread your comments regarding your view on GUI users. But the vibe your comments gave was you are upset people are not using your tool even though you had done so much by making these tools. 3rd party editors will never take off in popularity because there is no way to know if they will still be compatible with future versions of Wc3 being released. Community edition of wc3 is only getting attention because people who are angry with Reforged think it might bring back Wc3 to its roots--- which won't happen, but they are free to feel that way. Putting effort into making 3rd party editor probably is not worth it if you want lots of people to use the tool, since the direction of hiveworkhop community is moving towards using the latest patches of Wc3, and not the older ones.

I'm not offended that people don't use YDWE, I'm just disgusted that people continue to do

Spoiler: this

when they were literally given the best tool in their hands.
You say that someone is afraid, this is the absolute norm, while some are afraid, others just do.
I made my map back when YDWE was very poorly translated and had quite a few bugs and questionable systems, and if someone is still afraid with good and clean version, I don’t forbid them, let them never fulfill their desire to make a good map without leaks.

The problem with a community is that you want someone to convince you to do something, to prove that everything is fine.
When I made the map, I was glad to discover a tool that gives me the necessary capabilities, I couldn’t even dream that they would make some convenient systems for me and was glad for any help, at the same time, right now I’m not seeing feedback, but assumptions that support Reforged can be problematic.
Perhaps you all shouldn't try to create maps and go to this section?
This is not like the attitude of people who are confident in themselves and have a desire to develop in something.

 

[sdsn90]

Syntax error when trying to test Demo map "Debuff Duration System"

Spoiler: Error

 

[Enemy1PK]

Syntax error when trying to test Demo map "Debuff Duration System"

Spoiler: Error

View attachment 453173

[YDWE PK Edition 1.1]

• DDS:
  Fixed bug with UnitAlive function.
  Added abilities for immunity to debuffs.
  Added test ability with clear all debuffs effect
• Minor changes config description about map saving as 1.26/1.36

Btw, reforged users can get all reforged api (frames/etc) in GUI.
Demonstrate your desire, if you have one, your fate is in your hands.

 

[sdsn90]

The improved loading time is absolute wicked, LAN Testing also Good, Good Work

 

[sdsn90]

Another Syntax Error i got when use this function its fine to display for player 1,2 etc except for all Player

Spoiler: Function

Spoiler: Syntax Error

 

[Enemy1PK]

Another Syntax Error i got when use this function its fine to display for player 1,2 etc except for all Player

Okay, I missed translation of some errors, which is why you didn’t see notification that you can’t use “All Players” in actions, only in events.
If you want to send a message to all players, the best way is "GetLocalPlayer" which will select all real players who have the map running.

[YDWE PK Edition 1.2]

• Added missing text of some YDWE trigger errors

 

[P3in]

It look

s nice, but when i try to use it, it says this, and i run reforged 1.36.

What can i do about it?

 

[Ravager16829]

It lookView attachment 456180s nice, but when i try to use it, it says this, and i run reforged 1.36.

What can i do about it?

 

[P3in]

I did that already..

 

[Enemy1PK]

I did that already..

YDWE requires 1.26-1.27 for work because need war3.exe

Btw if anyone can help me compile original ydwe, please let me know.

 

[RedEyeZombieQ]

Do you have a Chinese version pls

 

[Enemy1PK]

[YDWE PK Edition 1.4]

 

[RedEyeZombieQ]

[YDWE PK Edition 1.4]

Thanks a lot，really appreciate it

 

[Enemy1PK]

Reuploaded for some fixes.

Bj optimization:
before
#define SetUnitManaBJ(unit, value) SetUnitState(unit, UNIT_STATE_LIFE, RMaxBJ(0, value))
after
#define SetUnitManaBJ(unit, value) SetUnitState(unit, UNIT_STATE_MANA, RMaxBJ(0, value))

Custom stats system: wrong rawcodes for attack speed abilities

 

[Enemy1PK]

Today I will tell about one important advantage of YDWE that I have known about for a long time, but have not mentioned before.
Is: Advanced Debugging

Whenever you run wc3 1.26 through YDWE, it will catch some code errors in the running maps, regardless of whether the map is open for editor or slk-optimized.
It is important to note that these are errors that allow you to save the map without an error message, so until you notice that any function is not working correctly, you will not even know that you made a mistake.

I know for sure 2 types of errors that are caught this way:
1) An attempt to get a value from a variable that has not yet received a value (it was null)
2) Infinity loop.
I also know that there are others, but at the moment I do not have accurate information about this because I cannot compile YDWE and translate these errors (yes, no one is helping me)
Example: Launch wc3 1.26 via YDWE and start map "DotA_Allstars_7.04c7"
In the first seconds after the start, we see a pop-up window with two errors.
The same error can be caused several times, but how did I understand that these are 2 different errors? it's all about numbers, it's something like a line number, if they are different, then it's not the same error.

Spoiler: Error Window

The "GKJ" function attempts to get a value from local variable "OIO", which was initially null.

Spoiler: Mistakes

Spoiler: Correct way

Thus, we see that anyone can make a mistake and you won’t know about it until you notice that something is not working correctly.
This is another reason to use YDWE, and not blindly trust the opinions of people who are not trying to learn something new and are simply using old familiar tools.

Upd: work will 1.26-1.27 and also work while watching replays

 

[tlstkwjr]

Does this mean that custom maps saved from the current latest version reforged will open in this editor?

 

[Enemy1PK]

Does this mean that custom maps saved from the current latest version reforged will open in this editor?

Alas, people who trusted Blizzard can no longer go back.
You can copy jass code, the rest most likely will not work.

 

[Enemy1PK]

A large patch to provide full support for Warcraft 3 Reforged.

Ahead of stupid questions:
Maps created in YDWE PK can use almost all the functionality from Reforged and at the same time remain compatible with old patches like 1.26.
Editor uses old data but can still use new functions, so you give up things like the ability to make 24 slots for players, but remain in the best compatibility mode (1.26).
People making maps in YDWE PK in Reforged mode can at any time abandon all this and switch to any other editor, of course, to do this they will have to remove the unique functions of YDWE PK GUI and things like boost preprocessor commands.
If you are already making a map on the Reforged Editor, you will not be able to switch to YDWE PK or any other editor, all you can do is transfer triggers in the form of Jass code.

[YDWE PK Edition 1.5]

• Fixed conflicts between core YDWE systems and Reforged mode.
• Literally all functions from Reforged added to GUI, even those that are not in the Reforged world editor in GUI form.
  • All new types for variables and other related things have also been added.
  • If you don’t see functions for creating objects (for example CreateFrame), then they are located not in “Actions” but in “Calls”
  • To use you need to create a variable and then set it as "CreateFrame/etc"
  • This is done specifically because some native functions have no bj analogues which can set global varriables like "last created unit".
  • Also note that new types currently cannot be used for core YDWE functions like [Unbelievable Local Variable].
• The [R] mark has been removed from all old functions/constants.
  • Now the [R] mark means functions that are only available for Reforged.
• YDWE PK config option "Allow Reforged Functions" Now adds Reforged GUI Functions, adds all Reforged functions in TESH (Jass syntax highlighting) and allows you to run the map for testing through Warcraft 3 reforged. Requires restarting YDWE PK.
  • Because some names are too long, the following constants are placed in TESH under abbreviated names.
  • You can use both short and long versions in your code, however TESH will only highlight the short versions.
  • List:
  • Short Name [ABILITY_RLF_MANA_REGEN_BONUS_AS_FRACTION_OFNORMAL] Original Name [ABILITY_RLF_MANA_REGENERATION_BONUS_AS_FRACTION_OF_NORMAL]
  • Short Name [UNIT_WEAPON_RF_ATTACK_AREA_OF_EFFECT_MEDIUM_DAMAG] Original Name [UNIT_WEAPON_RF_ATTACK_AREA_OF_EFFECT_MEDIUM_DAMAGE]
• Launching Warcraft 3 from the config menu via the "Lauch Warcraft 3" button will now launch the Reforged version if the appropriate mode is selected
• Added file "ReforgedPath.txt"
  • If you are going to test the map in Reforged mode, you need to specify the path to Warcraft III.exe in it.
  • In the future I plan to add the path to Warcraft 3 Reforged to the config menu.
• Added "null" GUI preset for String (because "empty string" and "null" are not the same thing)
• Added GUI preset JASS_MAX_ARRAY_SIZE for integer.
• Fixed leak in reforged function "CreateBuildCommandButtonEffectBJ"
• 3 Reforged bj functions has been optimized.
• Added hidden extra icons and models. 112 icons/130 models. In fact, this is a fix for an error that was made during translation; this stuff was originally supposed to be in YDWE
• Changed GUI functions:
  • [Unbelievable] Local Timer - Clear. Added "PauseTimer" before "DestroyTimer"
  • As some people have noticed, if you don't pause the timer before destroying, sometimes bugs can happen.
  • [Systems] Activate Test Commads - Added commands:
  • -ci Create item by rawcode
  • -cu Create unit by rawcode
  • -aa Add ability by rawcode
  • -ra Remove ability by rawcode
• Added Saves counter on World Editor screen. Explanation:
  • All editors created on the basis of World Editor crash after several saves, which is why you lose the progress of the last save.
  • The number of possible saves differs from map to map and depends on its "size" (objects, triggers, etc)
  • This counter will help you understand when it is time to restart YDWE PK.

 

[ss4gogeta]

i cant get this to open send help lol

 

[Enemy1PK]

i cant get this to open send help lol

idk what are you talking about.
if you have previously run the "Reforged editor" you need to open the file "Fix after reforged editor.reg"

 

[eejin]

@Enemy1PK Would you say that this editor is strictly better than YDWE or are there functional differences that might make you prefer YDWE over YDWE PK?

 

[Enemy1PK]

@Enemy1PK Would you say that this editor is strictly better than YDWE or are there functional differences that might make you prefer YDWE over YDWE PK?

Of course WE PK is much better than classic YDWE because it was in the PK version that more serious changes began than improving the text translation.
At a minimum, there is: more gui optimization/many bug fixes/support for the unique Reforged map creating mode. More information can be found in the patch notes.
Perhaps some changes dont look cool being a line in a patch note, but behind each of them there is a lot of effort and creativity.

For example, the final code of the saved map after you have used one of any built-in system in YDWE PK and Classic YDWE.

 

[Rheiko]

Can this tool open a map that's saved in newer version of WE?
For example, If have a 1.26, can I open maps saved in 1.29/1.31.1/1.36?

Also, is there a documentation on the newly added GUI functions?
I primarily use GUI, so I would be more than happy to be able to optimize my GUI code.
But I see a lot of new functions that seem very foreign to me.

I know you've mentioned it several times, I just want to confirm.
If I used YDWE PK and for whatever reason decided to switch back to another editor regardless which
(classic vanilla WE from 1.26+ / JNGP / WEX / reforged editor),
I would have had to abandon all the GUI function YDWE provided, correct?
Does this mean the map cannot be opened by the other editor as long as the YDWE GUI function is still in use?
and can be opened once the YDWE GUI function is no longer there?

If so, I have a suggestion to make it clear which are the functions belong uniquely to YDWE and ones belong to vanilla WE if not already.
That way, people can easily remove / re-add their YDWE functions anytime they need to.
Unless that is not possible to do. Since I don't know how this tool works, obviously.
I'm assuming the functions with [unbelievable] tag belong uniquely to YDWE,
but if that's the case, it should be replaced with something like [YDWE] in my humble opinion.
But anyway, what do I know? I haven't tried the editor myself yet.

Last but not least, will this alter the vanilla WE in some way?
If so, should I make a copy of the vanilla WE or the game itself,
just in case I want to go back to using vanilla WE?

Regardless whether you care or not, I think one of the reasons why people stick to vanilla WE even though they mostly use GUI is because they are afraid to step out of their comfort zone. As you know, people have been using vanilla GUI since dawn of time due to its simplicity and accessibility. People have been using vanilla GUI and develop a bonding trust with for decades. Something brand new and foreign might scare people away without proper guidance.
Other than that is probably because it takes time to learn something new and people just don't see enough good reason to invest time into learning how to properly utilize YDWE at the moment.

That's it from me for now. Might have some more questions later on after I play around with the editor.
Cheers. ~

 

[Enemy1PK]

[YDWE PK Edition 1.5.1]

• Fixed bug with map testing in Reforged mode.
• YDWE PK on startup now will create empty map.
• Define changed name: break > breakJassLoop
• Fixed some gui functions not from "Reforged" which still used the [R] flag.
• Gui Function "get frame handle id" now available only in Reforged mode.
• Changed GUI functions:

- [Systems] Custom stats system:
- Added boolean call "Custom Stat System - Last Stat Change Was Successful"
- Added integer call "Custom Stat System - Get Bonus Limit"
- System has been rewritten.
- For "clear" functions has been added boolean parameter "removeAbilities" which determines whether abilities need to be removed from unit or just cleared the hash table.
(If you remove a unit from the game, it will lose all abilities in any case, for this you do not need to force the cleanup function to recalculate the parameters once again)
- Fixed bug when stats were calculated incorrectly when using negative values. At the moment this is the only existing version of CSS that correctly counts negative and positive stats.
- No longer creates abilities that are greater than the limit.
- New stats limits:
Attack speed: -8.192 +8.191
Sight Range: -8.192 +8.191
Attack: -1.073.741.824 +1.073.741.823
Armor: -8.388.608 +8.388.607
Str: -524.288 +8.388.607
Int: -524.288 +8.388.607
Agi: -524.288 +8.388.607
Mana regen: -4.194.304 +4.194.303
Health regen: -8.388.608 +33.554.431
Health max: -8.388.608 +67.108.863
Mana max: -8.388.608 +67.108.863
This is the maximum limit for wc3 to avoid bugs with stats.

 

[Enemy1PK]

Didn't see the notification.

Can this tool open a map that's saved in newer version of WE?
For example, If have a 1.26, can I open maps saved in 1.29/1.31.1/1.36?

YDWE can open any map since YDWE can simulate unknown GUI functions, except those that were saved in the Reforged Editor.
This became impossible after blizzard decided to change the data format, I don’t know exactly at what point this happened, I guess around 1.31.
This also affected some older programs, such as slk map optimizers.
Therefore, I pointed out the ability of YDWE PK to use functions from reforged while remaining in 1.26 compatibility mode as a kind of advantage.

Also, is there a documentation on the newly added GUI functions?
I primarily use GUI, so I would be more than happy to be able to optimize my GUI code.
But I see a lot of new functions that seem very foreign to me.

I don't know which features are new to you, except of course the built-in systems and [unbelievable] section.
I understand that the default gui has a lot less features even from regular Jass, but I still have a hard time remembering what exactly is new, it would be nice if you could clarify this.
Btw, examples of using [Systems] and [unbelievable] are in the "Demo maps" folder

I know you've mentioned it several times, I just want to confirm.
If I used YDWE PK and for whatever reason decided to switch back to another editor regardless which
(classic vanilla WE from 1.26+ / JNGP / WEX / reforged editor),
I would have had to abandon all the GUI function YDWE provided, correct?
Does this mean the map cannot be opened by the other editor as long as the YDWE GUI function is still in use?
and can be opened once the YDWE GUI function is no longer there?

Correct. But it would be more accurate to say that you will have to remove all YDWE unique stuff:
Custom Gui/Any unique functions (like built-in Custom Stats System) even if converted to Jass./Boost and lua preprocessor commands (if using)

If so, I have a suggestion to make it clear which are the functions belong uniquely to YDWE and ones belong to vanilla WE if not already.
That way, people can easily remove / re-add their YDWE functions anytime they need to.
Unless that is not possible to do. Since I don't know how this tool works, obviously.
I'm assuming the functions with [unbelievable] tag belong uniquely to YDWE,
but if that's the case, it should be replaced with something like [YDWE] in my humble opinion.
But anyway, what do I know? I haven't tried the editor myself yet.

If we talk about TESH, at the moment it is impossible to give functions a different color, you can only add explanatory text, which I have partially already done in the latest versions.
The author of TESH left users of old editors without support, and at the moment he has not been visiting hive for a long time.
As for the gui, everything is simpler, you can mark unique functions, but the question is what exactly should be considered “classic” because we have the old World Editor, Reforged Editor and JNGP.
For example, at the moment the YDWE PK has all the GUI functions from Reforged (even frames/etc), and the Reforged Editor has only a small part of the possible Jass functionality.
Functions from Reforged are already marked as [R] does this mean that need to add an additional prefix [PK] (shorter than YDWE) for gui functions that are not in Reforged?
As you can guess, these are all very difficult decisions that can make the text less readable, and there is also a limit on the length of the text.
The community should help in such matters.
In the worst case, you will simply resave the map several times and check whether it will open in another editor or something else needs to be replaced, you will not have a situation where you cannot “roll back” as is the case with the Reforged Editor, I think this is not such a big problem.

Besides, I don’t see any particular reason to abandon the YDWE PK if you have already decided to use it for some time.
The only cases I can imagine are:
1) There was a need to use HD graphics (almost no one uses it, and besides, it causes bugs).
2) Wanna to make more than 12 slots for real players.
3) Wanna to use Lua instead of Jass.
4) Your map is so bad technically that the loading speed into the editor and the saving speed are too slow compared to the Reforged Editor.

Last but not least, will this alter the vanilla WE in some way?
If so, should I make a copy of the vanilla WE or the game itself,
just in case I want to go back to using vanilla WE?

The Reforged Editor will not change.
In old editors gui function "custom code" which is used to insert Jass-code, will turn purple because YDWE changes the colors in the registry, and all old editors use the same parameters.
Apart from this, nothing has changed for anyone.

Regardless whether you care or not, I think one of the reasons why people stick to vanilla WE even though they mostly use GUI is because they are afraid to step out of their comfort zone. As you know, people have been using vanilla GUI since dawn of time due to its simplicity and accessibility. People have been using vanilla GUI and develop a bonding trust with for decades. Something brand new and foreign might scare people away without proper guidance.
Other than that is probably because it takes time to learn something new and people just don't see enough good reason to invest time into learning how to properly utilize YDWE at the moment.

In fact, if you don’t count Asians, there are basically 2 living communities:
1) Euro (hive)
2) Cis (xgm)
On hive most people use Reforged and blindly trust Blizzard no matter how much trouble they cause.
Due to the fact that they are used to using “ready-made solutions out of the box”, they are poorly versed in various aspects of maps development, and therefore are afraid to use YDWE PK, because it is better to have “bad but stable” than even a 0.01% chance that something will break and no one will help them, although this is actually an exaggerated fear, because I have vast experience in this and can always help, besides, nothing prevents you from doing a “rollback” at any time, of course you don’t have a magic button that will do it automatically, but you have there is a guarantee that this is 100% possible.
In addition, many people are already making a map on the Reforged Editor and do not have the opportunity to switch to any other editor, even if they have a great desire.
If we talk about the cis community, everything here is ruled by the toxic website "xgm" where they laugh at gui users and tell them to switch to jass.
Because they treated me rudely, they still only have the old version of YDWE 0.6 which is much worse than the current YDWE PK, I'm sure many don't even know that I continued to make new versions.
In addition, the "core of xgm" are very toxic and old people who are very proud of their programming skills, so they tell all newbies that YDWE is bad, it is better to use the proven JNGP over the years.
And another reason is that many in cis are used to using Russian triggers, and YDWE PK currently only supports English.
I could do a translation into Russian and even almost finished one of the versions, but I have no desire to do this because on xgm they will hate me anyway and tell me not to use this tool, and why should I do a translation if no one asks for it.

The fact that you are showing some interest is good, if there were more such people we could do incredible things (better translation/good demo maps/many ready-made systems, for example for unit movement like in anime maps/even Jass systems gain greatly benefits of YDWE PK.
But these are just dreams.

 

[Augustus Xin]

Why can't I open the re forged version，And if the map saved in the editor cannot be opened in the re forged version.

 

[Enemy1PK]

Why can't I open the re forged version，And if the map saved in the editor cannot be opened in the re forged version.

This has been discussed several times already, and the last time was literally one post above.

1) A map saved in the Reforged Editor cannot be opened in any editors based on older versions of wc3.
2) A map saved in YDWE cannot be opened in other editors only as long as it uses unique gui-functions from YDWE.
This information should be obvious to everyone because it's the same thing as "Why my saves from assassin's creed 1 dont work in assassin's creed 2?"
Because this is unknown data.
YDWE/JNGP/Other editors don't know the data type from Reforged Editor, they are based on 1.26.
Any editors do not know the new gui-functions that were added only to YDWE.
Yes, the fact that unknown gui-functions do not allow you to open a map is stupid, but it is unfortunately a fact.
The YDWE developers partially solved this problem, while Blizzard didn't even think about it.

In wc3 there are no ideal and fully working solutions, you always need to make a choice and sacrifice something.
If I were a gui-user and was going to create a map for wc3 reforged now, I would use the YDWE PK because functionality is most important, and optimizing leaks will help avoid problems in the future.

 

[Augustus Xin]

这已经讨论了好几次了，最后一次是在上面的一个帖子。

1）保存在重新伪造编辑器中的地图无法在任何基于旧版本wc3的编辑器中打开。
2）保存在YDWE中的地图不能在其他编辑器中打开，只要它使用YDWE中唯一的gui-函数。
这个信息对每个人来说都是显而易见的，因为这和“为什么我从刺客信条1中的救赎在刺客信条2中不起作用？”
因为这是未知数据。
YDWE/JNGP/其他编辑器不知道重新伪造编辑器的数据类型，它们基于1.26。
任何编辑器都不知道新的gui--只添加到YDWE中的函数。
是的，未知的gui函数不允许您打开地图的事实是愚蠢的，但不幸的是，这是一个事实。
YDWE开发者部分解决了这个问题，而暴雪甚至没有想过这个问题。

在wc3中没有理想的和完全可行的解决方案，你总是需要做出选择和牺牲一些东西。
如果我是一个gui用户，现在要为wc3重新锻造创建一个地图，我会使用YDWE PK，因为功能是最重要的，优化泄漏将有助于避免将来的问题。

Okay, thank you for your answer. I hope the reforged version of ydwd can be made in the future

 

[Kakerate]

would've been nice to get my hands on this back in 2016-18 when i was still trying to support 1.26/27. Never really found an active community for those versions that spoke english though sadly. Are players on this patch using a russian service or something these days?

 

[Enemy1PK]

would've been nice to get my hands on this back in 2016-18 when i was still trying to support 1.26/27.

I thought about this too.
But if I were making a map for Reforged now, I would still prefer YDWE PK in both cases, whether I was a gui or a jass user, the advantages are too high.

Never really found an active community for those versions that spoke english though sadly. Are players on this patch using a russian service or something these days?

Cis players play on Irina bot / English version
I don’t know how many English speakers there are, but English is supported by both the site and the connector.
I think that Europeans should not have problems with ping. Almost all cis players understand English to some extent.
Now, on Friday 19:00 (+3gtm) there is 1066 online.
the connector has built-in support for uJapi and 8mb+ map size path.
Also, I made instructions on how to play on irinabot.
So yes, 1.26 is alive and still more reliable and in many ways better than Reforged.

There is also eurobattle (1.28)

 

[Enemy1PK]

[YDWE PK Edition 1.6]

Big patch with new gui functions and two new systems:

- Movement System
A tool for smooth movement of units and creation of unique abilities.
Examples of implementation are attached:

• Elune's Arrow
• Leap
• Killing Slide
• Firebolt
• Custom Shockwave
• Bombing Slide
• Mystic Snake
• Homing Missile

- Save System
A system that allows you to save integer values in the wc3 folder as code in a text file in order to enter this code into the chat and load the data.
This is the first and only save/load system that is completely GUI-based

Parameters:

• Can save only integer values
• Requires manually adding each item and unit to the save list
• Up to 8192 different items and 8192 units can be added to the save list
• If length of the code is greater than the limit for entering into the chat, creates additional codes
• Supports up to 5 total sub-systems
• For example, u can use system #1 to save hero/gold/wood/whatever else. And use an additional system #2 for saving the player achievements/unlocked heroes/rank/etc.
• You'll essentially be using the same system, but you can give them different alphabets, which will make them different and the code from system #1 won't work on system #2.
• Max length of saved value is 9 (example: 999999999)
• Max saved values for each sub-system: 999
• Up to 30 additional codes
• Adding new parameters to save does not invalidate old codes
  You must use the same order when saving and loading values
  You can load new codes into old versions of map and vice versa

Spoiler: Changelog

- Fixes:
- Fixed another bug with map test from YDWE PK while Reforged mode. (was specified Incorrect path to YDWE PK directory)
- Gui function [Activate Test Commands] Added crit-safe mechanism for cases when the specified player id is lower than 1
- Tesh: Fixed wrong parameters with Custom Stats System functions

• System "Additional Item Slots" max bags amount 10 > 100
• For GUI call "Triggered Event Is [YDWE]" added missing Reforged events.
• For GUI functions with coordinates like "Distance Between" "Angle Between" added new presets:

- Spell Target
- Order Point
- Portal Destination
- Camera Target
- Camera Eye
It's more convenient and faster than specify XY coordinates each time.
- Added new GUI Systems:
- Movement System
Designed for smooth movement of units (Like Mirana's jump from Dota)
This is not just a set of presets like functions from the old YDWE, this system is more like a set of tools to implement as many different user needs as possible.
- Save System
This is a save/load system that uses a loading code which is created in the game folder and that must be entered into the chat.
Works on any version of warcraft 3
Parameters:
- Can save only integer values
- Requires manually adding each item and unit to the save list
- Up to 8192 different items and 8192 units can be added to the save list
- If length of the code is greater than the limit for entering into the chat, creates additional codes
- Supports up to 5 total sub-systems
For example, u can use system #1 to save hero/gold/wood/whatever else. And use an additional system #2 for saving the player achievements/unlocked heroes/rank/etc.
You'll essentially be using the same system, but you can give them different alphabets, which will make them different and the code from system #1 won't work on system #2.
- Max length of saved value is 9 (example: 999999999)
- Max saved values for each sub-system: 999
- Up to 30 additional codes
- Adding new parameters to save does not invalidate old codes
You must use the same order when saving and loading values
You can load new codes into old versions of map and vice versa
- Added new GUI functions:
Presets:
- [Systems] Move System - Move Unit Reached Final Point
- [Systems] Move System - Get Last Unit Ended Movement
- [Systems] Move System - Get Last Detected Unit
- [Systems] Move System - Get Last Unit Which Detect
- [Systems] Move System - Get Last Unit Proc Timer Period
- [Systems] Save System - Event System Number
- [Systems] Save System - Total Save Codes Count
- [Systems] Save System - Event Player
Actions:
- [Game] Preload Gen Clear
- [Game] Preload Gen Start
- [Game] Preload Gen End
- [Game] Preload Refresh
- [Game] Preload Start
- [Game] Preload End Ex
- [Item] Add Ability To Item
- [Unit] Fly Enable
- [Systems] Additional Item Slots - Get Current Bag Number
- [Systems] Move System - Range
- [Systems] Move System - Target
- [Systems] Move System - Homing
- [Systems] Move System - Stop
- [Systems] Move System - Set Unit Homing Target
- [Systems] Move System - Set Unit Start X
- [Systems] Move System - Set Unit Start Y
- [Systems] Move System - Set Unit Final X
- [Systems] Move System - Set Unit Final Y
- [Systems] Move System - Set Unit Move Speed
- [Systems] Move System - Set Unit Timer Period
- [Systems] Save System - Init System
- [Systems] Save System - Add Unit Type To Save List
- [Systems] Save System - Add Item Type To Save List
- [Systems] Save System - Add Ability Type To Save List
- [Systems] Save System - Save Type of Unit
- [Systems] Save System - Save Type of Item
- [Systems] Save System - Save Type of Ability
- [Systems] Save System - Save Value
- [Systems] Save System - Set Errors Text
- [Systems] Save System - Start Saving
- [Systems] Save System - Start Loading
Calls:
- Remove Color Codes
- [Systems] Is XY Walkable
- [Systems] Move System - Is Unit In Movement
- [Systems] Move System - Get Unit Homing Target
- [Systems] Move System - Get Move Type From Unit
- [Systems] Move System - Get Unit Start X
- [Systems] Move System - Get Unit Start Y
- [Systems] Move System - Get Unit Final X
- [Systems] Move System - Get Unit Final Y
- [Systems] Move System - Get Unit Move Speed
- [Systems] Move System - Get Unit Timer Period
- [Systems] Save System - Load Unit Type
- [Systems] Save System - Load Item Type
- [Systems] Save System - Load Ability Type
- [Systems] Save System - Load Value
- [Systems] Save System - Get Save Code
Events:
- [Systems] Move System - Any Unit End Movement
- [Systems] Move System - Moving Unit Detect Unit
- [Systems] Move System - Timer Period Proc
- [Systems] Save System - Save 1
- [Systems] Save System - Save 2
- [Systems] Save System - Save 3
- [Systems] Save System - Save 4
- [Systems] Save System - Save 5
- [Systems] Save System - Load 1
- [Systems] Save System - Load 2
- [Systems] Save System - Load 3
- [Systems] Save System - Load 4
- [Systems] Save System - Load 5
- [Systems] Save System - Successful Save 1
- [Systems] Save System - Successful Save 2
- [Systems] Save System - Successful Save 3
- [Systems] Save System - Successful Save 4
- [Systems] Save System - Successful Save 5
- Added new GUI demo maps:
- Add Ability To Item
- Movement System
- Save System
- Added new GUI lessons:
- Get Local Player

 

[Enemy1PK]

So, I plan to finish with patch 1.6 which is a reference to the once legendary version of counter-strike.
There are many reasons for this, here are some of them:

- I am not a programmer and still can't compile the original YDWE, without which many useful changes cannot be made.
The original authors abandoned the project many years ago, and it is obvious that it is useless to expect help from them.
Also, no one on hiveworkshop will most likely help me even if I write about it.

- The main reason is the lack of visible interest and attention from the community.
I understand that wc3 is going through hard times, but some people still create maps, and almost always they do it on the Reforged editor, even among 1.26 enjoyers, most use the outdated JNGP.
If you are attentive enough, you probably know that most people create maps on gui, but they do not use the best map editor for gui users.
It really disgusts me to see people using hundreds of ridiculous hacks like "Custom Code" instead of just using YDWE PK and immediately being a thousand steps ahead of their former selves.
The reality is that it is not enough to make a good tool, for some absurd reasons you also have to convince people to use it in order to make their lives easier, and also convince them that it is safe in itself, and tens of times safer than making a map in the Reforged editor.
It is not enough for people that I made a good, absolutely working and absolutely leak-free map on the old YDWE gui, which was much worse than the current one.

While users were enjoying yet another custom code - hacks, YDWE PK from patch to patch acquired new functions and integrated the most useful systems into a real, full-fledged GUI.
The user doesn't even need to copy triggers/global variables/objects to their map, like in Custom Stats System where you somehow need to copy about 200 abilities to your map.
When I was creating the new Movement Systems, I wondered why gui users almost never use Hashtable?
And then I remembered that they don't have enough functions for this, and of course they don't have such wonderful hash tables and their analogues as in YDWE PK.
What can we talk about if people still use "Wait" because they don't have normal, convenient timers.
But almost no one needs this, because trust in Blizzard, which almost every new patch breaks something in users maps, will always be higher.
And also, because no one recommends YDWE, on the forum good people-helpers will always be happy to offer you another custom code-crutch, while of course, not offering an alternative to this masochism.
To be honest, I really don't like the fact that I was the one who discovered all the bugs in the Reforged mode, and completely by accident (since I only make maps for 1.26) and after several months.
This means that no one even tried to use the Reforged mode in YDWE PK.
And this is despite the fact that it gives huge advantages and all the Reforged functions in the form of a GUI, unlike the Reforged editor, where there are only some of them.

YDWE could have become an ideal tool for which people would create the best gui and jass systems.
Why doesn't anyone want to help with the gui-functions text, for example? I'm not a native speaker and don't know how to properly describe functions, so I use raw jass names.
This is one of the simple things that anyone could do if they wanted, but even if I suggested and explained how to do it, I'm sure there would be no one willing to do it.
A lot could have been achieved with joint efforts, but only one person does everything and only for a few people who were able to understand how useful the editor they accidentally saw is.
In fact, I was no longer going to do anything, but I don't like leaving any bugs behind, if I stated that Reforged mode, although it is made in a crutch way and has some limitations, but still works, then it should be work.
I decided to make a Movement System because I was asked to, although I made something much better than what was in the original YDWE.
As for the Save System - for me personally, save/load systems have been a long-standing problem, I couldn't do it myself, so I had to use other people's, insufficiently effective systems.
For example, save/load by TriggerHappy, in which I was always irritated by these factors:
1) If you specified the maximum number of saved items, for example, 100 pieces, you can't increase it later, it will reset the current saves.
2) If you add new values for save/load, it will reset the codes.
3) The system can't split a very long code into several parts, so I can't save everything I want, because the limit for entering into the chat is 127 characters.
In the end, I realized that having made my long way from a newbie gui-user to my current level, I can finally create my own system.
However, making a good RPG is quite difficult, and no one wanted to help me even after I published the post.
That's why I decided that it would be nice to integrate this system into YDWE PK, because if it helps at least one reasonable person, it will be better than if it just disappears into oblivion.
Thus, I once again did the incredible and became the first who made such a powerful save/load system, completely on a good gui.
In fact, I am really interested in making such useful things, but it is useless if there is no response, besides, making a gui is quite unpleasant and requires a lot of attention and planning everything in advance.
As I already said, at one time I could not even dream that there would be someone who would make the gui functions I need on request or show how to implement my idea, but here and now I see that people do not value their capabilities, and therefore do not deserve them.
All I see every time is an eternal "pending", a like on a post from the same person who likes everyone on the site, and almost complete ignoring after any of my efforts.
And of course, it’s not that there’s no person for the position of moderator who should mark the project as approved, and it’s not about the like, but about the feeling that everything always goes according to the same scenario, and I’m just wasting my time.

 

[Aldeia]

This seems to add a LOT of useful features for GUI users.

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I just wish it were compatible with the default Warcraft 3 Reforged installation (without requiring any registry manipulations or downloading older 1.26/1.27 patches). Ideally, it would work like the TESH installation—download the standalone editor, link it to the original game folder, and enjoy all the features seamlessly from a user perspective.

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If by any means you ever attempt such a crazy idea, i believe users like GrapesOfWath might even chip in with help.
He already added some new GUI functions for the editor.

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Overall amazing job, especially keeping it alive and adding more to it after the OG devs abandoned it.

 

[Inori]

I am using YDWE_1.32.5_En_0.6 (not YDWE PK). I really want to use the latest version of YDWE PK. Please support the functions of YDWE, BZAPI, and JAPI again.
The Warcraft version I am using is 1.28.5 along with JNLoader.

 

[Enemy1PK]

I am using YDWE_1.32.5_En_0.6 (not YDWE PK). I really want to use the latest version of YDWE PK. Please support the functions of YDWE, BZAPI, and JAPI again.

Latest classic version of YDWE from me is: YDWE 1.32.15 En 1.1 it's here on hiveworkshop.
I don't recommend relying too much on "xgm" it's a site with a nasty community, that's why they still only have the old version, it's more important for them to ban me than to give users something useful.

Ofc i can return DZAPI and JAPI fucntions, but i will not add other removed old functions and YDWE systems.
GUI is a very fragile thing and in the best case you will have to delete/replace a lot before saving, and in the worst case the map will not open and you will have to delete everything unnecessary first.

Do you guys have some kind of new flash mob? This is not the first time in recent that I have heard that someone is making maps using YDWE and playing them through JNLoader.
As far as I understand, JNLoader supports not only Korean but also Chinese functions?
However, I still don't understand how and why you do this, how do you play with high ping on Korean servers? And how do you make a map for Koreans, do you use the Korean language?

 

[Enemy1PK]

I just wish it were compatible with the default Warcraft 3 Reforged installation (without requiring any registry manipulations or downloading older 1.26/1.27 patches). Ideally, it would work like the TESH installation—download the standalone editor, link it to the original game folder, and enjoy all the features seamlessly from a user perspective.

To do this, need specialists at a level at least close to the original authors.
For example, sumneko is the author of the most popular lua plugin for VS Code, which has 1.5 million installations.
Also, as far as I know, the new functions from reforged were based on DZAPI/JAPI.
You can probably imagine what kind of monsters these were in the world of wc3.

At the moment there is not even a reverse converter from Reforged to 1.26.
The fact that Blizzard changed the data type in Reforged is a big problem, I roughly understand how support can be made for example 1.28, because old versions of the game stored data in mpq archives and the principle was similar everywhere, but in the case of reforged I don’t know anything.

If by any means you ever attempt such a crazy idea, i believe users like@ GrapesOfWath might even chip in with help.
He already added some new GUI functions for the editor.

I am sure that this person will not help me in any way and most likely he does not even know/have not tested YDWE.
The fact that he is trying to do something specifically for the Reforged Editor suggests that he is a supporter of everything official from Blizzard, while YDWE is an brotherhood of resistance, it is underground and not pseudo elite society.
We are the best not because we have a budget and a document confirming our officiality, but because, unlike Blizzard, we first of all think about the players and do that mapmakers have as many opportunities as possible, even if they are gui users, I do. This is smooth criminal, baby.

Also, there are too many reasons to be based specifically on YDWE, people won’t understand it, they haven’t tried it, but personally I know it.
Even banal local timers and triggers give much more than even if this person adds all the gui functions to the Reforged Editor, and there are too many such advantages.
And don’t forget that YDWE, although a crutch, is quite flexible, here you can do almost anything, the only limitations are in the skills of the developers, while on the Reforged Editor you have to chew out each change piece by piece with great difficulty.

I recently checked a "new" rpg map "Aetheria", it turned out to be made in 1.26 and almost all in gui, however the author did not use YDWE, I didn't ask why, but it's just a fact, there is no reason for a person not to use YDWE for 1.26 because it is literally the best option, but he doesn’t use it, maybe he doesn’t even know that there is an alternative to jngp.
Nothing will change if people remain silent and ignore, if the good uncle continues to help newbies make crutches for default gui without recommending trying YDWE, nothing will change.
I understand that in the case of Reforged players there is a problem, after the Reforged Editor they will not be able to open the map in YDWE, so they can either do as they are used to or start from scratch.
But I'm not skilled enough to solve this problem alone.
I know that there are many talented people on hive, but they do not show interest and, at best, remain adherents of Reforged, but I simply cannot know and be able to do everything, and I don’t want to do something in vain, I'd rather go and play a useless anime game than try to convince users that they need YDWE and try to find development help among those who don't care.
There are only 2 options, either people will start to show interest and provide help, or the community will continue to suck, slowly dying without new mapmakers because the old ones leave sooner or later, and they leave more likely if the development is not enjoyable or is too uncomfortable.

 

[Jumbo]

Hi, does this editor remove doodad limit? This is the main thing for me, otherwise I cannot use it unfortunately. Gaia's has a huge amount of doodads and we've been stuck with ancient editors until now for that reason.

 

[Enemy1PK]

Hi, does this editor remove doodad limit? This is the main thing for me, otherwise I cannot use it unfortunately. Gaia's has a huge amount of doodads and we've been stuck with ancient editors until now for that reason.

YDWE has limit remover.

Btw, if anyone needs it, here a partially translated version into Russian. Gui triggers still eng.

 

[Jumbo]

Oh, sorry just realised this doesn't work for me. Wrong patch version.

 

[Izhael_DC]

I thank you for sharing this editor that is very cool, this makes it much easier for Gui users to create spells and so on even without knowing Jass.
I have some doubts, please help me

• Is it normal that when saving a map with YDWE 3 YDWE windows open? or is it just me?
• Trying the test map ''Damage engine'' I could notice that the critical strike condition has no effect, is there any error there? or as it should go in the condition ''(Get Event Damage Type) not equal to Crit''
• When reviewing new events I saw one that makes reference to the trackable, is there a Gui action that allows you to create a trackable? or should I create it as in Jass?

Sorry for my translated English